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> even consider alternatives, as if they are being paid to defend this pro-advertising position. There's no way they would manage to exist like a business with

> even consider alternatives, as if they are being paid to defend this pro-advertising position. There's no way they would manage to exist like a business with a multi million dollar a year CEO without all that sweet Google money. So they are totally beholden to advertising straight from the top down. It doesn't even matter who is at the top, the whole step setup guarantees it'll be one of the big business players. Basically when they moved Firefox from a foundation to a corporation, this was pretty much inevitable. They don't even want our petty donations anymore. We can donate to the foundation's pet side projects but not too Firefox.

cdumler 2y ago
Google funds Firefox and Mozilla knows its purpose is to prevent regulators to looking at Chrome the same way they did at Internet Explorer.
- soganess 2y ago
  People always say that like it is a problem. I shit on Firefox every damn day, but that's because I'm a tech-brain(rot) weirdo. Truth is I absolutely love it. Firefox, or one of its derivatives, is the main (often times only) browser on every device I own. I literally wouldn't buy a device if I knew I couldn't install Firefox. Right now, our options are a world without Firefox or a world where Firefox is supported by the dominant market player. Maybe that changes in the future? Maybe it doesn't. But a chance for a future that isn't just the children of KHTML can't happen if Firefox doesn't exist. The obvious Apple in the 90s comparison comes to mind.
  - pegasus 2y ago
    > But a chance for a future that isn't just the children of KHTML can't happen if Firefox doesn't exist. TFA is about one such chance (and why it might be more donation-worthy), no?
    - soganess 2y ago
      It is, but we don't really know anything about Ladybird at this point. I hope for the best and wish Kling nothing but success. They have shown themselves as an exceptional and committed developer. I hope for a future where I've got even more options, but right now, it's a baby project. Getting standards-compliant rendering working is step zero. Things like site isolation, hardware video acceleration, and extensions that have enough access but aren't running wild with permission are really where a browser in the modern world shows its metal. Not to mention multiplatform support. An OS isn't just a kernel, and a browser isn't a just rendering engine.

cdumler 2y ago

Google funds Firefox and Mozilla knows its purpose is to prevent regulators to looking at Chrome the same way they did at Internet Explorer.

soganess 2y ago
People always say that like it is a problem. I shit on Firefox every damn day, but that's because I'm a tech-brain(rot) weirdo. Truth is I absolutely love it. Firefox, or one of its derivatives, is the main (often times only) browser on every device I own. I literally wouldn't buy a device if I knew I couldn't install Firefox. Right now, our options are a world without Firefox or a world where Firefox is supported by the dominant market player. Maybe that changes in the future? Maybe it doesn't. But a chance for a future that isn't just the children of KHTML can't happen if Firefox doesn't exist. The obvious Apple in the 90s comparison comes to mind.
- pegasus 2y ago
  > But a chance for a future that isn't just the children of KHTML can't happen if Firefox doesn't exist. TFA is about one such chance (and why it might be more donation-worthy), no?
  - soganess 2y ago
    It is, but we don't really know anything about Ladybird at this point. I hope for the best and wish Kling nothing but success. They have shown themselves as an exceptional and committed developer. I hope for a future where I've got even more options, but right now, it's a baby project. Getting standards-compliant rendering working is step zero. Things like site isolation, hardware video acceleration, and extensions that have enough access but aren't running wild with permission are really where a browser in the modern world shows its metal. Not to mention multiplatform support. An OS isn't just a kernel, and a browser isn't a just rendering engine.