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On reflection, was there anything you would have done or looked for differently in the 3 junior devs? Something you think would actually have changed your outco

On reflection, was there anything you would have done or looked for differently in the 3 junior devs? Something you think would actually have changed your outcome? Do you blame yourself in any way for not being able to develop the junior devs? FWIW, I'm currently on this trajectory (as the mentor).

flappyeagle 2y ago
I’ve hired, mentored, developed, and sadly fired more devs than I can count at this point. Activation energy cannot be trained. And that’s the prerequisite for just about everything, especially propensity for improvement. We cannot develop talent in the same way pro sports teams do because there’s not a 50x difference between what we pay and junior or senior dev like there is in the NBA or a 1000x difference like in MLB or Euro soccer The economics don’t support it. That’s the secret reason why schools matter still.
- JackMorgan 2y ago
  I mean, there probably should be a 50x difference. I've seen a single dev get done the work of 50 average devs many times. A single excellent engineer can produce immense business value. It always baffles me how many places only pay sr engineers 3-5x more.
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    A 50x dev should work for himself and make more money than the business hiring them. IF they cant make it work, they weren't 50x after all
    - flappyeagle 2y ago
      This is obviously untrue on its face. Just because you’re a great programmer does not mean you’re a good entrepreneur
      - meiraleal 2y ago
        If you are a 50x programmer working on a platform that others created (a business), you aren't really a 50x programmer. The environment for their productivity was created by someone else, not them.
      - fifilura 2y ago
        Maybe it would be more valuable for this company to hire someone who could create value rather than someone who can write 50x more code. I have worked with those people and most of what they created was a heap of code that someone had to maintain after they left.
        JackMorgan 2y ago
        I didn't say "write 50x more code" I said "gets done the work of 50 average people". Think of all the meetings, admin, HR, accounting, meetings, stand-ups, one-on-ones, architects, code reviews, process improvements meetings, directors, and meetings needed to staff 50 engineers. Think of how much time is spent just keeping them vaguely aligned. For 50 engineers you need at least 4/5ths total effort just into keeping everyone and everything in sync and moving forward. There's tremendous waste. It's not hard for one or two decently talented engineers to accomplish more in a year than 50 people.
        flappyeagle 2y ago
        Why not both. If you’re 50x, or even 2x better at anything than average you should probably be hired in a heartbeat
    - JackMorgan 2y ago
      Many do in fact go into business for themselves. A lot of my former colleagues all started their own businesses and are doing very well.
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flappyeagle 2y ago

I’ve hired, mentored, developed, and sadly fired more devs than I can count at this point. Activation energy cannot be trained. And that’s the prerequisite for just about everything, especially propensity for improvement. We cannot develop talent in the same way pro sports teams do because there’s not a 50x difference between what we pay and junior or senior dev like there is in the NBA or a 1000x difference like in MLB or Euro soccer The economics don’t support it. That’s the secret reason why schools matter still.

JackMorgan 2y ago
I mean, there probably should be a 50x difference. I've seen a single dev get done the work of 50 average devs many times. A single excellent engineer can produce immense business value. It always baffles me how many places only pay sr engineers 3-5x more.
- meiraleal 2y ago
  A 50x dev should work for himself and make more money than the business hiring them. IF they cant make it work, they weren't 50x after all
  - flappyeagle 2y ago
    This is obviously untrue on its face. Just because you’re a great programmer does not mean you’re a good entrepreneur
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      If you are a 50x programmer working on a platform that others created (a business), you aren't really a 50x programmer. The environment for their productivity was created by someone else, not them.
    - fifilura 2y ago
      Maybe it would be more valuable for this company to hire someone who could create value rather than someone who can write 50x more code. I have worked with those people and most of what they created was a heap of code that someone had to maintain after they left.
      - JackMorgan 2y ago
        I didn't say "write 50x more code" I said "gets done the work of 50 average people". Think of all the meetings, admin, HR, accounting, meetings, stand-ups, one-on-ones, architects, code reviews, process improvements meetings, directors, and meetings needed to staff 50 engineers. Think of how much time is spent just keeping them vaguely aligned. For 50 engineers you need at least 4/5ths total effort just into keeping everyone and everything in sync and moving forward. There's tremendous waste. It's not hard for one or two decently talented engineers to accomplish more in a year than 50 people.
      - flappyeagle 2y ago
        Why not both. If you’re 50x, or even 2x better at anything than average you should probably be hired in a heartbeat
  - JackMorgan 2y ago
    Many do in fact go into business for themselves. A lot of my former colleagues all started their own businesses and are doing very well.
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