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Early version of hot dog was invented in germany Hamburger might also been created in germany Cornbread: Native Americans I give you breakfast cereals, toaste

Early version of hot dog was invented in germany Hamburger might also been created in germany Cornbread: Native Americans I give you breakfast cereals, toaster pastries, hot pockets, grits, pumpkin pie, milkshake. Coca-cola? do we now start to listen all types of drink recipetes? So pure cultural, usa invented easy foods. This has very little to do with cultural foods like cheese, or the million types of sausages and breads and etc. It does not amount to a considerable contribution to the culinary arts

dahart 2y ago
“American cooks and chefs have substantially altered these dishes over the years, to the degree that the dishes now enjoyed around the world are considered to be American. Hot dogs and hamburgers are both based on traditional German dishes, but in their modern popular form they can be reasonably considered American dishes.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cuisine#Ethnic_influences https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cuisine#Ethnic_influe... The list of US-specific and US-influenced food is pretty long, and includes lots of ‘slow’ foods. Why are you basing your argument on cherry picking from an incomplete list of examples? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_foods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_foods And what do you mean that so-called ‘easy food’ isn’t a contribution to food culture? It’s trending globally (for better or worse), and relates closely to food supply economics. > Cornbread: Native Americans Native American foods count, why wouldn’t they? > This has very little to do with cultural foods like cheese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_cheeses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_cheeses
jogjayr 2y ago
Inventing Coke, toaster pastries, and breakfast cereals was neither quick, nor easy. And drinks are a part of cuisine. If we can't count Coke, we also can't include French wine-making or German brewing. What's a "cultural food"?
- 9dev 2y ago
  Not that GPs point is particularly convincing, but are we really comparing the mastery of wine making and beer brewing to Coca Cola now, in a discussion on culinary culture..? That’s like comparing Fox News to Tolstoi.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    Why not? This is just the whole high art/low art nonsense in another context. Plenty of people enjoy their cola of choice more than they do a fancy wine and consider it to be an essential part of their day. Why is it less worthy of inclusion in culinary culture?
    - 9dev 2y ago
      No, it’s not. Wine is not just a fancy drink but a craftsmanship tradition, thousands of years old. It’s not just the sophisticated people drinking it, but also the countless people involved in its making and cultivation! Have you ever been to a vineyard in a French, Italian, or German vineyard wine region? The people there live for this; their yards have been passed on for generations, and will continue to be. Planting a new grape means making a 30 year bet, with that much commitment you have to be all in. I could go on about the entire villages built around wine, the historic efforts required to get the grapes we have today, the unique chemical compounds making for the aromas, and more. And you’re telling me you want to seriously compare thousands of years of agricultural tradition to a mere hundred years of stimulating Coca Tonic that accidentally tastes pretty good?
      - dahart 2y ago
        It looks like you just did compare coke to wine. :P Seriously though, isn’t this a straw man argument? Parent wasn’t saying there isn’t craft or tradition involved in wine, nor that coke compares on those axes. You didn’t actually answer the question at all: why not discuss the cultural impact of coke? There is cultural impact. It’s not the same impact wine has, it’s quite different, but it is in fact there, don’t you agree?
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dahart 2y ago

“American cooks and chefs have substantially altered these dishes over the years, to the degree that the dishes now enjoyed around the world are considered to be American. Hot dogs and hamburgers are both based on traditional German dishes, but in their modern popular form they can be reasonably considered American dishes.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cuisine#Ethnic_influences https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cuisine#Ethnic_influe... The list of US-specific and US-influenced food is pretty long, and includes lots of ‘slow’ foods. Why are you basing your argument on cherry picking from an incomplete list of examples? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_foods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_foods And what do you mean that so-called ‘easy food’ isn’t a contribution to food culture? It’s trending globally (for better or worse), and relates closely to food supply economics. > Cornbread: Native Americans Native American foods count, why wouldn’t they? > This has very little to do with cultural foods like cheese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_cheeses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_cheeses

jogjayr 2y ago

Inventing Coke, toaster pastries, and breakfast cereals was neither quick, nor easy. And drinks are a part of cuisine. If we can't count Coke, we also can't include French wine-making or German brewing. What's a "cultural food"?

9dev 2y ago
Not that GPs point is particularly convincing, but are we really comparing the mastery of wine making and beer brewing to Coca Cola now, in a discussion on culinary culture..? That’s like comparing Fox News to Tolstoi.
- lolinder 2y ago
  Why not? This is just the whole high art/low art nonsense in another context. Plenty of people enjoy their cola of choice more than they do a fancy wine and consider it to be an essential part of their day. Why is it less worthy of inclusion in culinary culture?
  - 9dev 2y ago
    No, it’s not. Wine is not just a fancy drink but a craftsmanship tradition, thousands of years old. It’s not just the sophisticated people drinking it, but also the countless people involved in its making and cultivation! Have you ever been to a vineyard in a French, Italian, or German vineyard wine region? The people there live for this; their yards have been passed on for generations, and will continue to be. Planting a new grape means making a 30 year bet, with that much commitment you have to be all in. I could go on about the entire villages built around wine, the historic efforts required to get the grapes we have today, the unique chemical compounds making for the aromas, and more. And you’re telling me you want to seriously compare thousands of years of agricultural tradition to a mere hundred years of stimulating Coca Tonic that accidentally tastes pretty good?
    - dahart 2y ago
      It looks like you just did compare coke to wine. :P Seriously though, isn’t this a straw man argument? Parent wasn’t saying there isn’t craft or tradition involved in wine, nor that coke compares on those axes. You didn’t actually answer the question at all: why not discuss the cultural impact of coke? There is cultural impact. It’s not the same impact wine has, it’s quite different, but it is in fact there, don’t you agree?
      - 2y ago