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Yes, I think he is. And I don’t think his claim is unreasonable. I have heard of Lebron and Messi, but haven’t seen either of them play. Ever. Lebron is Basketb

Yes, I think he is. And I don’t think his claim is unreasonable. I have heard of Lebron and Messi, but haven’t seen either of them play. Ever. Lebron is Basketball, and I’m pretty sure Messi is soccer, but I only know that because the latter came up in conversations about Apple buying sports rights. I would say there are more people engaging with Instagram and Facebook than there are with basketball. I get what you’re saying, but I think it’s a limited viewpoint, just as mine is.

daghamm 2y ago
Have seen both play, haven't seen Zuckerberg lead...
miki123211 2y ago
Depends on where you live, in Europe Messi is very well known for example, Lebron I've never heard of, Zuckerberg is known by people in tech and maybe some others. I'd bet on some singer or actor / actress being the most well known globally. There's always a possibility that it's some Chinese / Indian person that is completely unknown outside their own country, but because of that country's size still ends up "the most well-known"
- Kamq 2y ago
  > I'd bet on some singer or actor / actress being the most well known globally. I'm willing to bet it's Mia Khalifa
krustyburger 2y ago
The number of users of Meta products is one thing, Zuckerberg’s personal fame is another. Conflating the two would imply that, for example, Phil Knight is one of the best known people in the world because of the ubiquity of his company, Nike. That’s obviously not the case. Based on this email, Zuckerberg seems to have an exaggerated sense of just how well-known he personally is.
- jprete 2y ago
  The press treat Zuckerberg as the public face of Facebook, while no-one does that with Phil Knight. So they are not similar situations.
- AlchemistCamp 2y ago
  An entire Sorkin movie was about Zuck and I've seen him on the front page of the BBC, NHK, as well as in major Chinese and Indian media many, many times. I've seen Messi a few times and I'm not sure if I've ever seen Lebron on them. Zuck's name recognition isn't yet at the Bill Gates or Taylor Swift level, but he's already beyond what even top athletes of the current generation can hope for.
tiznow 2y ago
This is one of those comments where I really have to remember what site I'm on. "Engaging with Meta apps" has nothing to do with knowing who Mark Zuckerberg is, the average WhatsApp user globally is far more familiar with Messi than Zuck.
glitchc 2y ago
I'm pretty confident more people know Messi globally than Zuckerberg and Thiel combined. He is the greatest sportsperson of this generation. You might be living in a bubble.
- ksec 2y ago
  >He is the greatest sportsperson of this generation. Had Messi not joined the US league and Apple bought the right I would not be surprised if half of the Americans dont know him. There also plenty of people around the world who simply dont watch Football, at least actively.
  - lupire 2y ago
    Do Chinese and Indians watch Messi? That's what matters for worldwide popularity total.
  - drexlspivey 2y ago
    World Cup finals alone are watched by ~2B people. Outside the US, only younger people that are into tech know who Zuck is.
    - morsch 2y ago
      Close to 1.5B, according to FIFA, I could not find any independent estimations. But what's 500m among friends. I just asked two people not in tech >60 who Zuckerberg is and they both knew him. But, I mean, they still read the newspaper, so I guess they're out of touch, as well.
      - drexlspivey 2y ago
        Yeah ok, anecdotally and I just asked my dad who never watched a football match in his life but uses facebook daily if he knew them and he only new Messi.
rexpop 2y ago
> I’m pretty sure Messi is soccer, but I only know that because the latter came up in conversations about Apple I don't know how you can say this with a straight face. Yours is an absurdly niche viewpoint! I swear, sometimes this forum is like Marie Antoinette.
- AlchemistCamp 2y ago
  It's really regional. Where I live, baseball is the primary sport and basketball (primarily NBA) is a distant second. Many but considerably less than half of young people know who Messi is but only because he just won a world cup and even that memory is fading fast since most people didn't watch it. You'd struggle to find anyone under 60 who hadn't heard of Zuck.
  - padthai 2y ago
    That’s the US perspective. But globally the final of the World Cup (which Messi played) was seen by more than 1.5B people (compared to <200M in the Super Bowl). It is a big name.
    - AlchemistCamp 2y ago
      > That’s the US perspective. No, it's not. Did you really think baseball was the most popular sport in America? I was talking about where I live (Taiwan). Also, it's a safe bet that more than 1.5 billion people just between India and China have heard of Zuck given how often he's been front page media in both countries.
- djaouen 2y ago
  What the hell are you talking about? I am dirt poor and have barely heard of either
  - rexpop 2y ago
    > I remember playing JRPGs late into the night growing up and reading GamePro magazine. From another of your comments, it sounds like you're middle class. Or, at least, a working class American which is quite privileged from a global standpoint. Either way, you're hardly a representative sample of one (1). Nice to encounter a fellow PKD fan, of course. ;)
jltsiren 2y ago
Out of those three, Messi is one of the most famous players in the most popular sport in the world (that Americans don't really follow, for some reason). Lebron does something that's popular in the US, but I didn't really recognize him. Zuckerberg is well known among those who follow business news, but he has little visibility in everyday life. If you restrict the audience to Americans, we can use this YouGov survey: https://today.yougov.com/ratings/international/fame/all-time-people/all https://today.yougov.com/ratings/international/fame/all-time... The most famous millennial is currently either Beyonce (#6, a borderline millennial) or Taylor Swift (#14). Zuckerberg is well behind them at #99.
rurp 2y ago
> I would say there are more people engaging with Instagram and Facebook than there are with basketball. Sure, but I don't see how that equates to more people knowing about Zuck. Lots of Meta users neither know nor care who he is. Outside of business and tech I almost never see his name or face pop up. Lebron on the other hand is all over the place. I have zero interest in the NBA but could easily pick him out of a lineup.

daghamm 2y ago

Have seen both play, haven't seen Zuckerberg lead...

miki123211 2y ago

Depends on where you live, in Europe Messi is very well known for example, Lebron I've never heard of, Zuckerberg is known by people in tech and maybe some others. I'd bet on some singer or actor / actress being the most well known globally. There's always a possibility that it's some Chinese / Indian person that is completely unknown outside their own country, but because of that country's size still ends up "the most well-known"

Kamq 2y ago
> I'd bet on some singer or actor / actress being the most well known globally. I'm willing to bet it's Mia Khalifa

krustyburger 2y ago

The number of users of Meta products is one thing, Zuckerberg’s personal fame is another. Conflating the two would imply that, for example, Phil Knight is one of the best known people in the world because of the ubiquity of his company, Nike. That’s obviously not the case. Based on this email, Zuckerberg seems to have an exaggerated sense of just how well-known he personally is.

jprete 2y ago
The press treat Zuckerberg as the public face of Facebook, while no-one does that with Phil Knight. So they are not similar situations.
AlchemistCamp 2y ago
An entire Sorkin movie was about Zuck and I've seen him on the front page of the BBC, NHK, as well as in major Chinese and Indian media many, many times. I've seen Messi a few times and I'm not sure if I've ever seen Lebron on them. Zuck's name recognition isn't yet at the Bill Gates or Taylor Swift level, but he's already beyond what even top athletes of the current generation can hope for.

tiznow 2y ago

This is one of those comments where I really have to remember what site I'm on. "Engaging with Meta apps" has nothing to do with knowing who Mark Zuckerberg is, the average WhatsApp user globally is far more familiar with Messi than Zuck.

glitchc 2y ago

I'm pretty confident more people know Messi globally than Zuckerberg and Thiel combined. He is the greatest sportsperson of this generation. You might be living in a bubble.

ksec 2y ago
>He is the greatest sportsperson of this generation. Had Messi not joined the US league and Apple bought the right I would not be surprised if half of the Americans dont know him. There also plenty of people around the world who simply dont watch Football, at least actively.
- lupire 2y ago
  Do Chinese and Indians watch Messi? That's what matters for worldwide popularity total.
- drexlspivey 2y ago
  World Cup finals alone are watched by ~2B people. Outside the US, only younger people that are into tech know who Zuck is.
  - morsch 2y ago
    Close to 1.5B, according to FIFA, I could not find any independent estimations. But what's 500m among friends. I just asked two people not in tech >60 who Zuckerberg is and they both knew him. But, I mean, they still read the newspaper, so I guess they're out of touch, as well.
    - drexlspivey 2y ago
      Yeah ok, anecdotally and I just asked my dad who never watched a football match in his life but uses facebook daily if he knew them and he only new Messi.

rexpop 2y ago

> I’m pretty sure Messi is soccer, but I only know that because the latter came up in conversations about Apple I don't know how you can say this with a straight face. Yours is an absurdly niche viewpoint! I swear, sometimes this forum is like Marie Antoinette.

AlchemistCamp 2y ago
It's really regional. Where I live, baseball is the primary sport and basketball (primarily NBA) is a distant second. Many but considerably less than half of young people know who Messi is but only because he just won a world cup and even that memory is fading fast since most people didn't watch it. You'd struggle to find anyone under 60 who hadn't heard of Zuck.
- padthai 2y ago
  That’s the US perspective. But globally the final of the World Cup (which Messi played) was seen by more than 1.5B people (compared to <200M in the Super Bowl). It is a big name.
  - AlchemistCamp 2y ago
    > That’s the US perspective. No, it's not. Did you really think baseball was the most popular sport in America? I was talking about where I live (Taiwan). Also, it's a safe bet that more than 1.5 billion people just between India and China have heard of Zuck given how often he's been front page media in both countries.
djaouen 2y ago
What the hell are you talking about? I am dirt poor and have barely heard of either
- rexpop 2y ago
  > I remember playing JRPGs late into the night growing up and reading GamePro magazine. From another of your comments, it sounds like you're middle class. Or, at least, a working class American which is quite privileged from a global standpoint. Either way, you're hardly a representative sample of one (1). Nice to encounter a fellow PKD fan, of course. ;)

jltsiren 2y ago

Out of those three, Messi is one of the most famous players in the most popular sport in the world (that Americans don't really follow, for some reason). Lebron does something that's popular in the US, but I didn't really recognize him. Zuckerberg is well known among those who follow business news, but he has little visibility in everyday life. If you restrict the audience to Americans, we can use this YouGov survey: https://today.yougov.com/ratings/international/fame/all-time-people/all https://today.yougov.com/ratings/international/fame/all-time... The most famous millennial is currently either Beyonce (#6, a borderline millennial) or Taylor Swift (#14). Zuckerberg is well behind them at #99.

rurp 2y ago

> I would say there are more people engaging with Instagram and Facebook than there are with basketball. Sure, but I don't see how that equates to more people knowing about Zuck. Lots of Meta users neither know nor care who he is. Outside of business and tech I almost never see his name or face pop up. Lebron on the other hand is all over the place. I have zero interest in the NBA but could easily pick him out of a lineup.