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Do they? They have the biggest browser, an online office suite, a cloud, and a giant ad network. They want to maximize internet use, or they should want to.

kibwen 2y ago
Unfortunately no, Google wants to maximize their profit, and they'll enshittify the web in that pursuit until it collapses. They have Android, they don't need the web to exist.
- klyrs 2y ago
  > They have Android, they don't need the web to exist. If not for apple, I'd agree.
  - FredPret 2y ago
    Apple sells expensive solutions to cash-rich consumers (some of whom are also time-poor) who are willing to throw money at a technical problem (setting up a device with an OS) to make it go away (ie, buying an iPhone, iPad, and Mac). Why would you ever want to advertise to anyone else? No internet = no Google.
- troupo 2y ago
  > They have Android, they don't need the web to exist. In 2023 77% of Google's money came from online advertising. While the percentage is lower than in 2017 when it was 86%, Google is fully dependent on the web.
troupo 2y ago
Google makes the web better for itself. Which is not the same as making it better for everyone else. After all, 77% of their revenue comes from online ads.
- FredPret 2y ago
  No users = no clicks = no Google. Their incentive is to strike a balance between profiting off users and driving all the users away. I'm not commenting on whether they're getting it right.
  - Retric 2y ago
    The issue is them getting it right is finding a balance point which is maximizing their profits at the expense of the general public. They are willing to make a Web Browser and Android to limit how much people can avoid being tracked etc.
    - FredPret 2y ago
      How is it at the expense of the public? We get a free search engine, map, office suite, email, the best browser, and video platform. And while some here will say it’s enshittified beyond hope, it’s just not. Their products are great, I use them every day, and every now and then I click on an ad for something I like.
      - clearleaf 2y ago
        If you clicked on an ad ever you're a different sort.
      - troupo 2y ago
        > How is it at the expense of the public? "According to the 160-page report, the employees found evidence that Mountain View was demoting its competitors and placing its own services on top of search results lists, even if they weren't as helpful." https://www.engadget.com/2015-03-20-ftc-report-google-search-bias.html https://www.engadget.com/2015-03-20-ftc-report-google-search... Then there's search results which are mostly ads and sponsored listings, not actual search results, and that's deliberate: https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ And search results from content farms are prioritized at the expense of actual results: https://www.niemanlab.org/2024/02/google-promotes-sketchy-product-reviews-from-big-publishers-at-the-expense-of-small-indie-sites-a-small-indie-site-argues/ https://www.niemanlab.org/2024/02/google-promotes-sketchy-pr... Ands a decade of AMP hurt the web, and publishers, and sites, and... https://wptavern.com/amp-has-irreparably-damaged-publishers-trust-in-google-led-initiatives https://wptavern.com/amp-has-irreparably-damaged-publishers-...

kibwen 2y ago

Unfortunately no, Google wants to maximize their profit, and they'll enshittify the web in that pursuit until it collapses. They have Android, they don't need the web to exist.

klyrs 2y ago
> They have Android, they don't need the web to exist. If not for apple, I'd agree.
- FredPret 2y ago
  Apple sells expensive solutions to cash-rich consumers (some of whom are also time-poor) who are willing to throw money at a technical problem (setting up a device with an OS) to make it go away (ie, buying an iPhone, iPad, and Mac). Why would you ever want to advertise to anyone else? No internet = no Google.
troupo 2y ago
> They have Android, they don't need the web to exist. In 2023 77% of Google's money came from online advertising. While the percentage is lower than in 2017 when it was 86%, Google is fully dependent on the web.

troupo 2y ago

Google makes the web better for itself. Which is not the same as making it better for everyone else. After all, 77% of their revenue comes from online ads.

FredPret 2y ago
No users = no clicks = no Google. Their incentive is to strike a balance between profiting off users and driving all the users away. I'm not commenting on whether they're getting it right.
- Retric 2y ago
  The issue is them getting it right is finding a balance point which is maximizing their profits at the expense of the general public. They are willing to make a Web Browser and Android to limit how much people can avoid being tracked etc.
  - FredPret 2y ago
    How is it at the expense of the public? We get a free search engine, map, office suite, email, the best browser, and video platform. And while some here will say it’s enshittified beyond hope, it’s just not. Their products are great, I use them every day, and every now and then I click on an ad for something I like.
    - clearleaf 2y ago
      If you clicked on an ad ever you're a different sort.
    - troupo 2y ago
      > How is it at the expense of the public? "According to the 160-page report, the employees found evidence that Mountain View was demoting its competitors and placing its own services on top of search results lists, even if they weren't as helpful." https://www.engadget.com/2015-03-20-ftc-report-google-search-bias.html https://www.engadget.com/2015-03-20-ftc-report-google-search... Then there's search results which are mostly ads and sponsored listings, not actual search results, and that's deliberate: https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ And search results from content farms are prioritized at the expense of actual results: https://www.niemanlab.org/2024/02/google-promotes-sketchy-product-reviews-from-big-publishers-at-the-expense-of-small-indie-sites-a-small-indie-site-argues/ https://www.niemanlab.org/2024/02/google-promotes-sketchy-pr... Ands a decade of AMP hurt the web, and publishers, and sites, and... https://wptavern.com/amp-has-irreparably-damaged-publishers-trust-in-google-led-initiatives https://wptavern.com/amp-has-irreparably-damaged-publishers-...