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Apparently yes: https://www.radiantenergygroup.com/reports/restart-of-germany-reactors-can-it-be-done https://www.radiantenergygroup.com/reports/restart-of-germ

by mk89 2y ago

Apparently yes: https://www.radiantenergygroup.com/reports/restart-of-germany-reactors-can-it-be-done https://www.radiantenergygroup.com/reports/restart-of-german... But in practice as long as you have Greens in the government you'll never be able to do it.

nolist_policy 2y ago
That report is one year old, so the price calculations are completely off. It neglects that all reactors need to go into revision. It completely ignores the political dimension which is extremely complicated even if you ignore the Greens. For example the fuel elements are sourced from Russia.
- mk89 2y ago
  The US is still buying uranium from Russia. Keeping the reactors open for another 3-5-10 years wouldn't have been such a big deal in terms of fuel. Considering also we're still buying gas from them ...
j-pb 2y ago
The minister of the economy (greens) was the one who had them running longer than planned due to the Ukraine War [0], they were also the ones commisioning a study from the energy companies to see if they could extend their operations for years [1]. It was the konservative CDU/CSU that set the final decommission date after Fukushima [2]. 0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xznqbpv0QE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xznqbpv0QE 1: https://www.bmuv.de/fileadmin/Daten_BMU/Download_PDF/Nukleare_Sicherheit/laufzeitverlaengerung_akw_bf.pdf https://www.bmuv.de/fileadmin/Daten_BMU/Download_PDF/Nuklear... 2: https://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/atomstreit-in-der-koalition-soeder-droht-mit-ruecktritt-1.1101971 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/atomstreit-in-der-koaliti...
- mk89 2y ago
  It's partially true, considering the other two parties were pushing for it too. They had to agree. Plus, we should not mix Habeck with the Greens. Habeck is an individual that sometimes is not supported at all by his own party. I still remember the discussions - they were literally the only ones not wanting to do it - they set hard conditions, red lines etc. Obviously this went against their political program - thus the resistance. It was FDP that pushed for additional extensions. [0] They even proposed to buy new fuel (and further extend) but no, of course not.[1] PS: CDU/CSU did what unfortunately was hyped on TV - fear of 3 headed monsters etc. Greens, on the other hand, don't understand that we have an energy issue right now and extending nuclear reactors for another 5 years would buy us some time. The ideology won. The sad irony is that because of this ideological choice, they had to burn more coal....!!!! EDIT: just found this [2]. What's more to add. They are admitting they could have kept the reactors open for another 15 years. EDIT: according to Habeck, it was the chancellor that pushed for the extension. [3] confirmed also here. [4] So all the Greens actually did was resistance. [0]: https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/german-greens-minister-robert-habeck-under-fire-over-2022-nuclear-shutdown/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/ger... [1]: https://www.dw.com/en/german-greens-lay-out-nuclear-power-position-amid-federal-government-infighting/a-63449846 https://www.dw.com/en/german-greens-lay-out-nuclear-power-po... [2]: https://greennuclear.online/@collectifission/112588204256628685 https://greennuclear.online/@collectifission/112588204256628... [3]: https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2024-06/robert-habeck-akten-atomausstieg-vorwuerfe-cdu#comments https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2024-06/robert-habeck-akten-a... [4]: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-chancellor-decides-runtime-extension-all-remaining-nuclear-plants-ending-coalition-row https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-chancellor-decid...
  - j-pb 2y ago
    > Plus, we should not mix Habeck with the Greens. > The chancellor’s decision came only two days after Habeck’s Green Party at a party convention officially accepted a runtime extension only for the two plants in southern Germany. lol Getting new fuel for them doesn't make any economic sense. Your entire argument is an emotional appeal. Show me the numbers that show that nuclear is cheaper than renewables and I'll change my mind, but until then it doesn't make economic sense, and would only be the "ideological descision making" that you accuse the green of.

by mk89 2y ago

nolist_policy 2y ago

That report is one year old, so the price calculations are completely off. It neglects that all reactors need to go into revision. It completely ignores the political dimension which is extremely complicated even if you ignore the Greens. For example the fuel elements are sourced from Russia.

mk89 2y ago
The US is still buying uranium from Russia. Keeping the reactors open for another 3-5-10 years wouldn't have been such a big deal in terms of fuel. Considering also we're still buying gas from them ...

j-pb 2y ago

The minister of the economy (greens) was the one who had them running longer than planned due to the Ukraine War [0], they were also the ones commisioning a study from the energy companies to see if they could extend their operations for years [1]. It was the konservative CDU/CSU that set the final decommission date after Fukushima [2]. 0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xznqbpv0QE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xznqbpv0QE 1: https://www.bmuv.de/fileadmin/Daten_BMU/Download_PDF/Nukleare_Sicherheit/laufzeitverlaengerung_akw_bf.pdf https://www.bmuv.de/fileadmin/Daten_BMU/Download_PDF/Nuklear... 2: https://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/atomstreit-in-der-koalition-soeder-droht-mit-ruecktritt-1.1101971 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/atomstreit-in-der-koaliti...

mk89 2y ago
It's partially true, considering the other two parties were pushing for it too. They had to agree. Plus, we should not mix Habeck with the Greens. Habeck is an individual that sometimes is not supported at all by his own party. I still remember the discussions - they were literally the only ones not wanting to do it - they set hard conditions, red lines etc. Obviously this went against their political program - thus the resistance. It was FDP that pushed for additional extensions. [0] They even proposed to buy new fuel (and further extend) but no, of course not.[1] PS: CDU/CSU did what unfortunately was hyped on TV - fear of 3 headed monsters etc. Greens, on the other hand, don't understand that we have an energy issue right now and extending nuclear reactors for another 5 years would buy us some time. The ideology won. The sad irony is that because of this ideological choice, they had to burn more coal....!!!! EDIT: just found this [2]. What's more to add. They are admitting they could have kept the reactors open for another 15 years. EDIT: according to Habeck, it was the chancellor that pushed for the extension. [3] confirmed also here. [4] So all the Greens actually did was resistance. [0]: https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/german-greens-minister-robert-habeck-under-fire-over-2022-nuclear-shutdown/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/ger... [1]: https://www.dw.com/en/german-greens-lay-out-nuclear-power-position-amid-federal-government-infighting/a-63449846 https://www.dw.com/en/german-greens-lay-out-nuclear-power-po... [2]: https://greennuclear.online/@collectifission/112588204256628685 https://greennuclear.online/@collectifission/112588204256628... [3]: https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2024-06/robert-habeck-akten-atomausstieg-vorwuerfe-cdu#comments https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2024-06/robert-habeck-akten-a... [4]: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-chancellor-decides-runtime-extension-all-remaining-nuclear-plants-ending-coalition-row https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/german-chancellor-decid...
- j-pb 2y ago
  > Plus, we should not mix Habeck with the Greens. > The chancellor’s decision came only two days after Habeck’s Green Party at a party convention officially accepted a runtime extension only for the two plants in southern Germany. lol Getting new fuel for them doesn't make any economic sense. Your entire argument is an emotional appeal. Show me the numbers that show that nuclear is cheaper than renewables and I'll change my mind, but until then it doesn't make economic sense, and would only be the "ideological descision making" that you accuse the green of.