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> if the problem is tumours Google paraneoplastic syndromes. Cancer is rarely a problem of just tumors. > just "laser" all the tumours out and problem solved

> if the problem is tumours Google paraneoplastic syndromes. Cancer is rarely a problem of just tumors. > just "laser" all the tumours out and problem solved right? No. The tumors don't just evaporate. The treatment causes tissue necrosis. Your laser causes inflammation. Even the high tech IMRT you're picturing has those problems. >Metastatic cancer is defined by essentially there being too many things to hit though, Metastasis as a concept is fairly meaningless in how you're using it. There are so many more factors in treatment of various cancers that have nothing to do with the distribution. There's a lot that clinpath looks at and frankly I care much more about what's on those reports than playing where's Waldo with nodules. Frequently we assume micrometastasis just based on the cell line or other characteristics. > therein lies the entire detail So no. > you can't treat someone faster than they die of either the cancer or the treatment. Again far more consideration goes into it but I'm losing my desire to debate these contrived simplistic takes.

petermcneeley 2y ago
I dont get it. The first hit there says it is a rare disorder due to cancer; so this is already not the more common case. Second it is still due to the presence although not local of the tumor. If you destroy the tumor you may have a chance of resolving the condition. I am aware of necrosis. You need to either completely break down the cell or remove the material. Radiation of course does not do this but surgery of course does. My appeal to you would be to allow more disruption in this space. Software and Hardware are (mostly) unregulated which allowed for the explosion of progress.
- Zenzero 2y ago
  Paraneoplastic syndromes are not rare buddy. > My appeal to you would be to allow more disruption in this space No. There is far too much disruption that we don't want/need. If you want to help, go put yourself through medical school first, and then bring your CS knowledge to supplement it. Jumping in when you haven't learned the basics wastes everyone's time like you have here.
  - petermcneeley 2y ago
    But you have not actually been able to point out the basics that I am missing. You mention a specific condition which is listed as rare via a google search [0]. This condition is also caused by tumors so again perhaps a subset of these cases are completely resolved just by destroying the cells. The fact of the matter is that I think any kind of refutation is actually pretty difficult for you (perhaps due to the medical training). It likely would have been easier had you just agreed and said "Yes if you can destroy the cancer cells you can treat >90% of all cancer." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507890/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507890/
    - killjoywashere 2y ago
      Tell you what, if you're bored and want to learn about this world, I recommend newcomers read Robert Weinberg, The Biology of Cancer, (2nd Edition): https://www.amazon.com/dp/0815342195 https://www.amazon.com/dp/0815342195

petermcneeley 2y ago

I dont get it. The first hit there says it is a rare disorder due to cancer; so this is already not the more common case. Second it is still due to the presence although not local of the tumor. If you destroy the tumor you may have a chance of resolving the condition. I am aware of necrosis. You need to either completely break down the cell or remove the material. Radiation of course does not do this but surgery of course does. My appeal to you would be to allow more disruption in this space. Software and Hardware are (mostly) unregulated which allowed for the explosion of progress.

Zenzero 2y ago
Paraneoplastic syndromes are not rare buddy. > My appeal to you would be to allow more disruption in this space No. There is far too much disruption that we don't want/need. If you want to help, go put yourself through medical school first, and then bring your CS knowledge to supplement it. Jumping in when you haven't learned the basics wastes everyone's time like you have here.
- petermcneeley 2y ago
  But you have not actually been able to point out the basics that I am missing. You mention a specific condition which is listed as rare via a google search [0]. This condition is also caused by tumors so again perhaps a subset of these cases are completely resolved just by destroying the cells. The fact of the matter is that I think any kind of refutation is actually pretty difficult for you (perhaps due to the medical training). It likely would have been easier had you just agreed and said "Yes if you can destroy the cancer cells you can treat >90% of all cancer." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507890/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507890/
  - killjoywashere 2y ago
    Tell you what, if you're bored and want to learn about this world, I recommend newcomers read Robert Weinberg, The Biology of Cancer, (2nd Edition): https://www.amazon.com/dp/0815342195 https://www.amazon.com/dp/0815342195