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I had that same argument, the teacher who told me to not trust non peer reviewed articles ended up flooding her Facebook was with pro-brexit lies a decade later

I had that same argument, the teacher who told me to not trust non peer reviewed articles ended up flooding her Facebook was with pro-brexit lies a decade later. Turns out critical thinking is not outsourcing your thinking to a third party, be it a peer reviewes journal, google search results, or chatgpt.

lionkor 2y ago
What is a 'pro brexit lie'?
- auggierose 2y ago
  £350m a week for the NHS
- Angostura 2y ago
  Immigration will be reduced We will be able to negotiate excellent trade deals outside the EU effortlessly The EU need our trade so badly we will be able to negotiate a seamless trade deal with them … and many others.
  - lionkor 2y ago
    interesting, thank you! I hadnt followed it when it happened.
  - werdnk 2y ago
    I think believing the first lie that conservatives would really reduce immigration is the product of trusting politicians too much. Another faction of the pro-Brexiteers would think of the system in terms of a uniparty. The fundamentalists like Farage have no chance of getting elected as PM in the British system, though he did get an MP seat now. Would things change if Farage were PM? I'm cynical, probably not.
    - bostik 2y ago
      There was a fundamental lie / delusion at the heart of the claim. The second thing a trade deal with another country implies "allow more of our nationals to migrate, and make it easier for them to come over". (The first thing is obviously: "let our products in".) And this can be seen from the raw numbers too. Before brexit, the annual net migration to UK was about 300k. After brexit, the annual net migration to UK is ~700k.[0] (745k in 2022, 680k in 2023.) And quite a bit of that from the fresh trade partners. The best way I have heard anyone describe the disaster that's Brexit was as "nostalgic self-immolation for the population who still dream of the Britain where faces were white, passports were blue, and the map was Imperial Pink." 0: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/ https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06...
auggierose 2y ago
Indeed, you could apply the same argument to peer-reviewed articles, although at the moment they are still much (much!) more reliable than ChatGPT.
- kukkeliskuu 2y ago
  Ever heard of replication crisis?
  - immibis 2y ago
    Still better than ChatGPT.
superfist 2y ago
"not trust non peer reviewed articles" - this is such naive advice. It is not black and white, peer reviewed articles only increase chance that information included in article is legit because it was verified in some formal process. I wonder how many times people giving such simple advices mention how often peer reviewed articles are retracted or can't even be replicated and how this vary accross disciplines.
- immibis 2y ago
  And, like all formal processes, it has been gamed. Many journals are full of high quality material; others are full of peer reviewed bullshit.

lionkor 2y ago

What is a 'pro brexit lie'?

auggierose 2y ago
£350m a week for the NHS
Angostura 2y ago
Immigration will be reduced We will be able to negotiate excellent trade deals outside the EU effortlessly The EU need our trade so badly we will be able to negotiate a seamless trade deal with them … and many others.
- lionkor 2y ago
  interesting, thank you! I hadnt followed it when it happened.
- werdnk 2y ago
  I think believing the first lie that conservatives would really reduce immigration is the product of trusting politicians too much. Another faction of the pro-Brexiteers would think of the system in terms of a uniparty. The fundamentalists like Farage have no chance of getting elected as PM in the British system, though he did get an MP seat now. Would things change if Farage were PM? I'm cynical, probably not.
  - bostik 2y ago
    There was a fundamental lie / delusion at the heart of the claim. The second thing a trade deal with another country implies "allow more of our nationals to migrate, and make it easier for them to come over". (The first thing is obviously: "let our products in".) And this can be seen from the raw numbers too. Before brexit, the annual net migration to UK was about 300k. After brexit, the annual net migration to UK is ~700k.[0] (745k in 2022, 680k in 2023.) And quite a bit of that from the fresh trade partners. The best way I have heard anyone describe the disaster that's Brexit was as "nostalgic self-immolation for the population who still dream of the Britain where faces were white, passports were blue, and the map was Imperial Pink." 0: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/ https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06...

auggierose 2y ago

Indeed, you could apply the same argument to peer-reviewed articles, although at the moment they are still much (much!) more reliable than ChatGPT.

kukkeliskuu 2y ago
Ever heard of replication crisis?
- immibis 2y ago
  Still better than ChatGPT.

superfist 2y ago

"not trust non peer reviewed articles" - this is such naive advice. It is not black and white, peer reviewed articles only increase chance that information included in article is legit because it was verified in some formal process. I wonder how many times people giving such simple advices mention how often peer reviewed articles are retracted or can't even be replicated and how this vary accross disciplines.

immibis 2y ago
And, like all formal processes, it has been gamed. Many journals are full of high quality material; others are full of peer reviewed bullshit.