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> In 1544, physician and botanist Pietro Andrea Mattioli described the leaves as smelling like bed bugs or stink bugs... Incredible that neither this, nor the

> In 1544, physician and botanist Pietro Andrea Mattioli described the leaves as smelling like bed bugs or stink bugs... Incredible that neither this, nor the other linked article, even mention the fact that this stink-bug/soap taste is genetically predetermined for some people [1], so above quote can by no means be taken as an argument that cilantro "became unfashionable" so authors started describing it negatively. Instead, the real story is probably much more interesting, as the changes in cilantro popularity could probably be connected to waves of migrations and general genetic pool changes in a particular place. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OR6A2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OR6A2

goku12 2y ago
This is very interesting! According to the article, the gene makes people either like cilantro or hate it entirely. I used to hate cilantro in my childhood as it smelled exactly like a stink bug to me. But it's the opposite in my adulthood. Cilantro enhances the savory taste, both in its raw and cooked form.
- locallost 2y ago
  It's not entirely accurate. I used to hate cilantro (tried it first as an adult), as it does smell kind of soapy, but it grew on me. It's part of the taste for something like a thai curry. I recently planted one and thought it smelled great when I was watering it, soapy or not. Basil can also smell a bit like cat pee, but it's still great on some things.
  - groestl 2y ago
    Whoever says it tastes "kinda soapy" is likely do not have that gene variant in the first place. Because if you have it, it tastes like soap, full stop. Like you bite into a soap bar. Even a tiny bit of cilantro.
    - Aerroon 2y ago
      Yeah, but soap doesn't taste that bad either. Or maybe I've just gotten so used to awful taste that I can ignore. It's just bitter*. * I'm not sure if bitter is the correct word. In my native language we use the word "bitter" for things like beer, but there's another word for the sharper taste of soap, but they both seem to be translate to "bitter" in English. Maybe acrid is a better word?
    - locallost 2y ago
      I've never bitten into a bar of soap so I can't say.
    - Auracle 2y ago
      I don’t even like to be in the same room as a decent amount of cilantro.
- CoastalCoder 2y ago
  The first time I had cilantro was as an adult, and I hated it. It tasted like dish soap. Now I actually crave it a little on specific dishes: enchiladas, burritos, banh mi, and Pad Thai. But I wouldn't want dish soap in those dishes (I think). And I don't like it on its own.
- veunes 2y ago
  It's fascinating how our perception of different food can change over time
vasco 2y ago
To be honest that is one of the most repeated "TIL" I see on the internet, so I was happy to not have to read it again!
- curl-up 2y ago
  I agree that it's refreshing for an article on cilantro to not be about that. But they make some very misleading implications by completely ignoring it.
  - gassit 2y ago
    What implications?
    - curl-up 2y ago
      Full quote: > Coriander leaves fell even further out of fashion than the seeds because their distinct flavor clashed with the trendy imported ingredients of the time, such as rosewater. In 1544, physician and botanist Pietro Andrea Mattioli described the leaves as smelling like bed bugs or stink bugs, a comparison echoed by later authors. I read this as "Cilantro fell out of fashion due to it's incompatibility with other popular flavors at a time, and since people love following recent trends, they started describing it in a negative way". In other words, people saw it as "stink-bug-like" because the fashion changed. This happens a lot with food (e.g. Jell-O texture now being repulsive to a lot of people) but in this case, it has nothing to do with fashion, because to a lot of people cilantro does actually have such taste, and this shift in popularity is much better explained by the shift in genetics.
      - gassit 2y ago
        But that’s your implication the genetic change was widespread enough to effect an entire cultural change. What evidence is there of that?
        curl-up 2y ago
morsch 2y ago
> the changes in cilantro popularity could probably be connected to waves of migrations and general genetic pool changes in a particular place It's not impossible, but without data it's pure conjecture. The first study I found isn't particularly supportive, unless there's been massive immigration from East Asia that I'm not aware of: https://flavourjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2044-7248-1-8 https://flavourjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/20...
pmontra 2y ago
Well, half of my friends like cilantro, the other half say it tastes like dish soap. I'm in Italy and by the way I'm sowing it today (too late, probably.)
- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  It's an acquired taste plus you have to use it with the right meals. Can't imagine good chunk asian meals without it. Same like disliking onion and garlic.
meowface 2y ago
I think you may have falsely pattern matched this particular reference. I love the taste and smell of cilantro and eat it all the time, but the first time I encountered a stink bug I thought "oh, it smells like cilantro". It doesn't taste like soap to me. I think the stink bug-smell has no relation to the soap-taste, which is indeed caused by that gene. I think stink bugs' scent probably smells similar to cilantro for everyone without that gene.
- curl-up 2y ago
  This is very interesting, thanks for pointing it out! I really dislike cilantro, and to me it always tasted strongly like stink-bugs (not that I ever tried eating one...). I never really understood the dish-soap reference though. So if this is correct, then the whole point of my original post is completely wrong. I'll have to look into this further.
  - Modified3019 2y ago
    It definitely some kind of spectrum of response, rather than just either or. Cilantro to me isn’t something I would generally describe as soapy. If it’s real heavy there can be a slight soap aftertaste that comes through, though at that point the cilantro essence itself is just too much. I do find the comparison of the essence of cilantro as similar to stinkbugs a bit more apt. There’s this hard to describe chemical smell that some insects give off that isn’t cilantro exactly, but is in some sort of similar class. Kind of how we group sour things together. I can tolerate some cilantro without noticing much, but if it’s heavy in a dish it’ll become repulsive and ruin it. For me it’s fine when treated like a spice, not a salad. Apparently Methoxypyrazines are found in stinkbugs and cilantro, and are responsible for a lot of “vegetal” smells. Likewise it seems that stinkbugs can give of “trans-2-dodecenal” [0] which I guess can be written as “(E)-2-dodecenal” (I am not a chemist) which is found in cilantro and has a chemical citrus peel type of smell. [1] [0] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359322168_Expressional_and_functional_comparisons_of_five_clustered_odorant_binding_proteins_in_the_brown_marmorated_stink_bug_Halyomorpha_halys https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359322168_Expressio... [1] http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1005071.html http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1005071.html
hnbad 2y ago
I think the "it was native and abundant so nobody used it because it didn't demonstrate wealth" explanation is far more plausible given that the same can be observed with many native plants and spices in other parts of Europe. TFA mentions that spices were categorized as "sweet or strong" and given that coriander was seen as "strong" it competed with fancier imports. This preference likely "trickled down" making the spice seem less appealing to the masses, especially with increased social mobility in more recent history.
m463 2y ago
I think a hunk of ginger in some food tastes like soap.
rpeden 2y ago
I vaguely remember reading something similar about stevia. Anecdotally, I know some people who think it's a tasty sweetener, but for me it just tastes bitter and awful. When I add it to coffee, it ends up tasting like I added a mixture of Splenda and powdered graphite.
- OJFord 2y ago
  Isn't Splenda also a sweetener? Or is Stevia supposedly so much better that you're saying to you it tastes like a worse sweetener plus graphite, or something?
  - peeters 2y ago
    I think they're saying it does the job of making it taste sweet (artificially anyway) but comes with an unpleasant flavour.
    - rpeden 2y ago
      Right - that's what I was getting at. I find stevia tastes like what I'd get if I took that wood + yellow paint + HB graphite taste I used to get when I absentmindedly chewed the end of my pencil in elementary school and then mixed in some Splenda.
- jfengel 2y ago
  Stevia in its pure form is quite bitter and awful. The stevia sweetened products you get are chock full of bitter blockers. Some people still tolerate it better than others. I'm not sure if there's a genetic link or if it's just what you're used to.
- bloomingeek 2y ago
  I really tied to adopt stevia into my diet, gave it several months, however the rumbling in my stomach turned me away from it. I also experienced some discomfort in the upper intestinal area. When I looked up stevia before trying it, there were warnings some could experience these symptoms.
educasean 2y ago
I keep hearing this, but my personal experience refutes this. I first encountered cilantro at the age of 15 and I immediately thought my soup bowl has unwashed soap in it. I did not eat cilantro-included dishes for years after, but fast forward 2 decades and I love cilantro now. I can't really detect the soapyness that once bothered me so much. I don't think cilantro preferences are as set in stone as the story alludes.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  I hope not. I can't stand cilantro. Even a tiny amount renders food completely inedible to me. I wouldn't say it tastes like soap to me (although the first time I heard that, I understood). It tastes more like strongly-flavored dust. I hate this fact because cilantro has become fashionable and has made eating out into a bit of a gamble. I'd be thrilled if I started liking it, or at least stopped hating it so much.
  - crazygringo 2y ago
    I'm so confused. Is this whole thread about fresh cilantro leaves/stems, as I thought? Or the ground form of its seeds which is totally different and generally called coriander? (At least in the US.) Just because I've never heard of anyone refer to any kind of leaf as tasting like "dust". And I thought the "soapy" thing was exclusively a reaction to the leaves, not ground coriander.
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      Where I'm from we call the leaves coriander too.
      - crazygringo 2y ago
        Are you in the US? Just curious if there's regional variation in e.g. supermarket labeling. Because if you look at nationwide labeling, cilantro seems to refer exclusively to the leaves, and coriander exclusively to the seeds, and I've never seen anything different within the US: https://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=cilantro https://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=cilantro https://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=coriander https://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=coriander https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/search?text=cilantro https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/search?text=cilantro https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/search?text=coriander https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/search?text=coriander And if both terms can be used for the leaves, is there anywhere that calls the ground seeds cilantro?
wkat4242 2y ago
It's weird, I find the taste really fresh and fruity <3
crystal_revenge 2y ago
People take genetic determinism way too seriously, and that original "Why Cilantro Tastes Like Soap" NYT article has been aggressively misused to justify a generation of picky eaters. It's tragic how many people miss out on an incredible food because they believe it is their genetic destiny to never like it. That genetic predisposition only really matters for your first exposures to cilantro. I used to abhor the taste and found if completely vile, but after having more friends from cilantro heavy cultures I kept trying it, and trying it and trying it. It went from horrid to okay, and the from okay to one of my favorite tastes. You don't need "general genetic pool changes" in order for cilantro to become more widely adopted, you just need enough people who like it to encourage those who initially don't to give it a few more tries. If you're someone who genuinely likes exploring new foods and flavors and have let that silly article convince you that you are doomed to never enjoy cilantro, keep exploring, you'll find reward. If you're a picky-eater, that's fine, just tone down on the genetic determinism.
- hombre_fatal 2y ago
  I'm sure most people's reaction to the discovery that cilantro taste is genetically determined simply think "Oh, so I'm not crazy for disliking it" and they move on in life rather than lean heavy into genetic determinism like you claim. This kinda seems like you giving yourself too hardy of a pat on the back for grinding cilantro.
- samatman 2y ago
  > It went from horrid to okay, and the from okay to one of my favorite tastes. On the one hand, congratulations, it's good to develop a palate for something even if you're operating on hard mode. On the other hand, and I can't emphasize this enough, I have always found cilantro delicious, even as a young child. There are tastes I've acquired through diligence, olives for example, but cilantro? Never, I love the stuff. The genetic propensity here is real.
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pedalpete 2y ago
The issue of if cilantro tastes like soap, weather that be genetic or not, we can't ignore that if cilantro was common at the time, people would have grown up eating it, and would have been used to the taste. There also was likely less concept of individual preference in the food you ate. The food was made for the family, and you either ate it, or you didn't eat. Even I had to live through this with boiled brussel sprouts as a kid.
darby_nine 2y ago
> so above quote can by no means be taken as an argument that cilantro "became unfashionable" so authors started describing it negatively. It can be if the person who was genetically predetermined to dislike the taste was influential. I agree that this interpretation would require additional evidence to presume, but the above quote certainly does not preclude such a possibility. Most importantly, much of culture is determined by taste outside of genetic disposition. I don't see much reason to see this scenario as removed from the influence of culture.
donatj 2y ago
My wife and I stayed in a hotel once which we later discovered was infested with bed bugs. We were thankfully able to prevent spreading them to our home by running everything through a very hot dryer multiple times and thorough inspection of our luggage. I love cilantro but that room absolutely smelled like it. It also smelled like my best friend growing up's house, which I commented on when we first entered the room after checking in. I had always assumed the smell was from their foreign cuisine, but I have been curious since this experience if they perhaps had a bedbug problem.

goku12 2y ago

This is very interesting! According to the article, the gene makes people either like cilantro or hate it entirely. I used to hate cilantro in my childhood as it smelled exactly like a stink bug to me. But it's the opposite in my adulthood. Cilantro enhances the savory taste, both in its raw and cooked form.

locallost 2y ago
It's not entirely accurate. I used to hate cilantro (tried it first as an adult), as it does smell kind of soapy, but it grew on me. It's part of the taste for something like a thai curry. I recently planted one and thought it smelled great when I was watering it, soapy or not. Basil can also smell a bit like cat pee, but it's still great on some things.
- groestl 2y ago
  Whoever says it tastes "kinda soapy" is likely do not have that gene variant in the first place. Because if you have it, it tastes like soap, full stop. Like you bite into a soap bar. Even a tiny bit of cilantro.
  - Aerroon 2y ago
    Yeah, but soap doesn't taste that bad either. Or maybe I've just gotten so used to awful taste that I can ignore. It's just bitter*. * I'm not sure if bitter is the correct word. In my native language we use the word "bitter" for things like beer, but there's another word for the sharper taste of soap, but they both seem to be translate to "bitter" in English. Maybe acrid is a better word?
  - locallost 2y ago
    I've never bitten into a bar of soap so I can't say.
  - Auracle 2y ago
    I don’t even like to be in the same room as a decent amount of cilantro.
CoastalCoder 2y ago
The first time I had cilantro was as an adult, and I hated it. It tasted like dish soap. Now I actually crave it a little on specific dishes: enchiladas, burritos, banh mi, and Pad Thai. But I wouldn't want dish soap in those dishes (I think). And I don't like it on its own.
veunes 2y ago
It's fascinating how our perception of different food can change over time

vasco 2y ago

To be honest that is one of the most repeated "TIL" I see on the internet, so I was happy to not have to read it again!

curl-up 2y ago
I agree that it's refreshing for an article on cilantro to not be about that. But they make some very misleading implications by completely ignoring it.
- gassit 2y ago
  What implications?
  - curl-up 2y ago
    Full quote: > Coriander leaves fell even further out of fashion than the seeds because their distinct flavor clashed with the trendy imported ingredients of the time, such as rosewater. In 1544, physician and botanist Pietro Andrea Mattioli described the leaves as smelling like bed bugs or stink bugs, a comparison echoed by later authors. I read this as "Cilantro fell out of fashion due to it's incompatibility with other popular flavors at a time, and since people love following recent trends, they started describing it in a negative way". In other words, people saw it as "stink-bug-like" because the fashion changed. This happens a lot with food (e.g. Jell-O texture now being repulsive to a lot of people) but in this case, it has nothing to do with fashion, because to a lot of people cilantro does actually have such taste, and this shift in popularity is much better explained by the shift in genetics.
    - gassit 2y ago
      But that’s your implication the genetic change was widespread enough to effect an entire cultural change. What evidence is there of that?
      - curl-up 2y ago

morsch 2y ago

> the changes in cilantro popularity could probably be connected to waves of migrations and general genetic pool changes in a particular place It's not impossible, but without data it's pure conjecture. The first study I found isn't particularly supportive, unless there's been massive immigration from East Asia that I'm not aware of: https://flavourjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2044-7248-1-8 https://flavourjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/20...

pmontra 2y ago

Well, half of my friends like cilantro, the other half say it tastes like dish soap. I'm in Italy and by the way I'm sowing it today (too late, probably.)

dzhiurgis 2y ago
It's an acquired taste plus you have to use it with the right meals. Can't imagine good chunk asian meals without it. Same like disliking onion and garlic.

meowface 2y ago

I think you may have falsely pattern matched this particular reference. I love the taste and smell of cilantro and eat it all the time, but the first time I encountered a stink bug I thought "oh, it smells like cilantro". It doesn't taste like soap to me. I think the stink bug-smell has no relation to the soap-taste, which is indeed caused by that gene. I think stink bugs' scent probably smells similar to cilantro for everyone without that gene.

curl-up 2y ago
This is very interesting, thanks for pointing it out! I really dislike cilantro, and to me it always tasted strongly like stink-bugs (not that I ever tried eating one...). I never really understood the dish-soap reference though. So if this is correct, then the whole point of my original post is completely wrong. I'll have to look into this further.
- Modified3019 2y ago
  It definitely some kind of spectrum of response, rather than just either or. Cilantro to me isn’t something I would generally describe as soapy. If it’s real heavy there can be a slight soap aftertaste that comes through, though at that point the cilantro essence itself is just too much. I do find the comparison of the essence of cilantro as similar to stinkbugs a bit more apt. There’s this hard to describe chemical smell that some insects give off that isn’t cilantro exactly, but is in some sort of similar class. Kind of how we group sour things together. I can tolerate some cilantro without noticing much, but if it’s heavy in a dish it’ll become repulsive and ruin it. For me it’s fine when treated like a spice, not a salad. Apparently Methoxypyrazines are found in stinkbugs and cilantro, and are responsible for a lot of “vegetal” smells. Likewise it seems that stinkbugs can give of “trans-2-dodecenal” [0] which I guess can be written as “(E)-2-dodecenal” (I am not a chemist) which is found in cilantro and has a chemical citrus peel type of smell. [1] [0] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359322168_Expressional_and_functional_comparisons_of_five_clustered_odorant_binding_proteins_in_the_brown_marmorated_stink_bug_Halyomorpha_halys https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359322168_Expressio... [1] http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1005071.html http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1005071.html

hnbad 2y ago

I think the "it was native and abundant so nobody used it because it didn't demonstrate wealth" explanation is far more plausible given that the same can be observed with many native plants and spices in other parts of Europe. TFA mentions that spices were categorized as "sweet or strong" and given that coriander was seen as "strong" it competed with fancier imports. This preference likely "trickled down" making the spice seem less appealing to the masses, especially with increased social mobility in more recent history.

m463 2y ago

I think a hunk of ginger in some food tastes like soap.

rpeden 2y ago

I vaguely remember reading something similar about stevia. Anecdotally, I know some people who think it's a tasty sweetener, but for me it just tastes bitter and awful. When I add it to coffee, it ends up tasting like I added a mixture of Splenda and powdered graphite.

OJFord 2y ago
Isn't Splenda also a sweetener? Or is Stevia supposedly so much better that you're saying to you it tastes like a worse sweetener plus graphite, or something?
- peeters 2y ago
  I think they're saying it does the job of making it taste sweet (artificially anyway) but comes with an unpleasant flavour.
  - rpeden 2y ago
    Right - that's what I was getting at. I find stevia tastes like what I'd get if I took that wood + yellow paint + HB graphite taste I used to get when I absentmindedly chewed the end of my pencil in elementary school and then mixed in some Splenda.
jfengel 2y ago
Stevia in its pure form is quite bitter and awful. The stevia sweetened products you get are chock full of bitter blockers. Some people still tolerate it better than others. I'm not sure if there's a genetic link or if it's just what you're used to.
bloomingeek 2y ago
I really tied to adopt stevia into my diet, gave it several months, however the rumbling in my stomach turned me away from it. I also experienced some discomfort in the upper intestinal area. When I looked up stevia before trying it, there were warnings some could experience these symptoms.

educasean 2y ago

I keep hearing this, but my personal experience refutes this. I first encountered cilantro at the age of 15 and I immediately thought my soup bowl has unwashed soap in it. I did not eat cilantro-included dishes for years after, but fast forward 2 decades and I love cilantro now. I can't really detect the soapyness that once bothered me so much. I don't think cilantro preferences are as set in stone as the story alludes.

JohnFen 2y ago
I hope not. I can't stand cilantro. Even a tiny amount renders food completely inedible to me. I wouldn't say it tastes like soap to me (although the first time I heard that, I understood). It tastes more like strongly-flavored dust. I hate this fact because cilantro has become fashionable and has made eating out into a bit of a gamble. I'd be thrilled if I started liking it, or at least stopped hating it so much.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  I'm so confused. Is this whole thread about fresh cilantro leaves/stems, as I thought? Or the ground form of its seeds which is totally different and generally called coriander? (At least in the US.) Just because I've never heard of anyone refer to any kind of leaf as tasting like "dust". And I thought the "soapy" thing was exclusively a reaction to the leaves, not ground coriander.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Where I'm from we call the leaves coriander too.
    - crazygringo 2y ago
      Are you in the US? Just curious if there's regional variation in e.g. supermarket labeling. Because if you look at nationwide labeling, cilantro seems to refer exclusively to the leaves, and coriander exclusively to the seeds, and I've never seen anything different within the US: https://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=cilantro https://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=cilantro https://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=coriander https://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=coriander https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/search?text=cilantro https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/search?text=cilantro https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/search?text=coriander https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/search?text=coriander And if both terms can be used for the leaves, is there anywhere that calls the ground seeds cilantro?

wkat4242 2y ago

It's weird, I find the taste really fresh and fruity <3

crystal_revenge 2y ago

People take genetic determinism way too seriously, and that original "Why Cilantro Tastes Like Soap" NYT article has been aggressively misused to justify a generation of picky eaters. It's tragic how many people miss out on an incredible food because they believe it is their genetic destiny to never like it. That genetic predisposition only really matters for your first exposures to cilantro. I used to abhor the taste and found if completely vile, but after having more friends from cilantro heavy cultures I kept trying it, and trying it and trying it. It went from horrid to okay, and the from okay to one of my favorite tastes. You don't need "general genetic pool changes" in order for cilantro to become more widely adopted, you just need enough people who like it to encourage those who initially don't to give it a few more tries. If you're someone who genuinely likes exploring new foods and flavors and have let that silly article convince you that you are doomed to never enjoy cilantro, keep exploring, you'll find reward. If you're a picky-eater, that's fine, just tone down on the genetic determinism.

hombre_fatal 2y ago
I'm sure most people's reaction to the discovery that cilantro taste is genetically determined simply think "Oh, so I'm not crazy for disliking it" and they move on in life rather than lean heavy into genetic determinism like you claim. This kinda seems like you giving yourself too hardy of a pat on the back for grinding cilantro.
samatman 2y ago
> It went from horrid to okay, and the from okay to one of my favorite tastes. On the one hand, congratulations, it's good to develop a palate for something even if you're operating on hard mode. On the other hand, and I can't emphasize this enough, I have always found cilantro delicious, even as a young child. There are tastes I've acquired through diligence, olives for example, but cilantro? Never, I love the stuff. The genetic propensity here is real.

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pedalpete 2y ago

The issue of if cilantro tastes like soap, weather that be genetic or not, we can't ignore that if cilantro was common at the time, people would have grown up eating it, and would have been used to the taste. There also was likely less concept of individual preference in the food you ate. The food was made for the family, and you either ate it, or you didn't eat. Even I had to live through this with boiled brussel sprouts as a kid.

darby_nine 2y ago

> so above quote can by no means be taken as an argument that cilantro "became unfashionable" so authors started describing it negatively. It can be if the person who was genetically predetermined to dislike the taste was influential. I agree that this interpretation would require additional evidence to presume, but the above quote certainly does not preclude such a possibility. Most importantly, much of culture is determined by taste outside of genetic disposition. I don't see much reason to see this scenario as removed from the influence of culture.

donatj 2y ago

My wife and I stayed in a hotel once which we later discovered was infested with bed bugs. We were thankfully able to prevent spreading them to our home by running everything through a very hot dryer multiple times and thorough inspection of our luggage. I love cilantro but that room absolutely smelled like it. It also smelled like my best friend growing up's house, which I commented on when we first entered the room after checking in. I had always assumed the smell was from their foreign cuisine, but I have been curious since this experience if they perhaps had a bedbug problem.