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Except the West was able to develop a cure (multiple actually) whereas the East struggled. Sure we had some issues roling the vaccines out initially, but we res

Except the West was able to develop a cure (multiple actually) whereas the East struggled. Sure we had some issues roling the vaccines out initially, but we resolved those pretty quickly. Not only that, we resolved supply shortages to the point where we could guarantee that everyone received multiple doses. In the end, the West had far fewer mortalities compared to the East, so I'll take the West's way of doing things any day of the week.

dragonwriter 2y ago
> Except the West was able to develop a cure (multiple actually) whereas the East struggled. No, we weren't. The vaccines aren't cures, they are prophylactics that mitigate the severity of symptoms. (Also, several were developed in the East.)
- glitchc 2y ago
  There's some strong delusion equating a vaccine to a prophylactic. Going from high mortality to a minor cold is a huge win for any drug, vaccine or otherwise. Additionally that's how vaccines work. You still get sick but the illness is minor. They're not a force field. > (Also, several were developed in the East.) Oh? Do tell about their efficacy.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    A prophylactic is an advance intervention that prevents or mitigates the severity of disease. Vaccines in general, and all COVID vaccines, are prophylactics. Vaccines could be cures as well, but COVID vaccines are not. Sufficient distribution of prophylactics for infectious disease can achieve eradication which, while distinct from a cure, is as good or better, but COVID vaccines haven't done that.
    - glitchc 2y ago
      You seem to be confusing treatments with vaccines by lumping them under the same broad definition. A vaccine must be taken prior to contracting the disease, and will not work if taken after. This is exactly how COVID vaccines behave, therefore they are vaccines. Now whether a vaccine is effective or not is a separate, almost orthogonal, dimension for consideration. No single vaccine is 100% effective, so we will always have certain % of cases where vaccines did not prevent the spread of infection and resulting adverse outcomes.

dragonwriter 2y ago

> Except the West was able to develop a cure (multiple actually) whereas the East struggled. No, we weren't. The vaccines aren't cures, they are prophylactics that mitigate the severity of symptoms. (Also, several were developed in the East.)

glitchc 2y ago
There's some strong delusion equating a vaccine to a prophylactic. Going from high mortality to a minor cold is a huge win for any drug, vaccine or otherwise. Additionally that's how vaccines work. You still get sick but the illness is minor. They're not a force field. > (Also, several were developed in the East.) Oh? Do tell about their efficacy.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  A prophylactic is an advance intervention that prevents or mitigates the severity of disease. Vaccines in general, and all COVID vaccines, are prophylactics. Vaccines could be cures as well, but COVID vaccines are not. Sufficient distribution of prophylactics for infectious disease can achieve eradication which, while distinct from a cure, is as good or better, but COVID vaccines haven't done that.
  - glitchc 2y ago
    You seem to be confusing treatments with vaccines by lumping them under the same broad definition. A vaccine must be taken prior to contracting the disease, and will not work if taken after. This is exactly how COVID vaccines behave, therefore they are vaccines. Now whether a vaccine is effective or not is a separate, almost orthogonal, dimension for consideration. No single vaccine is 100% effective, so we will always have certain % of cases where vaccines did not prevent the spread of infection and resulting adverse outcomes.