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The terrifying SEAL Team 6 scenario lurking in Supreme Court's immunity ruling

8 points by Bluestein 2y ago

illuminant 2y ago
Leave it to Richard Marcinko (rip) and it'll never come back to the prez!
johng 2y ago
Talk about fear mongering.
- talldayo 2y ago
  The article itself is just repeating the dissenting opinion from the Supreme Court. It's not fearmongering to present a hypothetical legal situation that might resolve with undesirable outcomes. Now, you could argue that the dissent was fearmongering but technically that's what you're supposed to do when you identify a glaring problem in a ruling. Otherwise you won't convince people the mistake is worth fixing.
  - Bluestein 2y ago
    > Otherwise you won't convince people the mistake is worth fixing. Indeed. You are arguing your side of the case and ought to give it your all.-
oldpersonintx 2y ago
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jki275 2y ago
This kind of fearmongering really misreads the decision. The court's decision doesn't leave room for any of this. https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4757174-supreme-court-presidential-immunity/ https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4757174-supreme-court-...
nabla9 2y ago
Combined with project 2024 plan it does not even have to go that far. They will increase politically selected government officials by thousand or so. They obey blindly the president. When they violate federal law by doing so, the president direct DOJ not to prosecute, or pardon them. Prosecutors and cops can violate federal laws and get away with them if they do it with full support from the president. Because pardon power is core presidential power, it has absolute immunity in this interpretation as is any interference with DOJ. Even Amy Coney Barrett dissented with the part where any prosecution of a former president, juries cannot consider evidence touching on official acts, even in a criminal case based only on private conduct, which is not shielded. This also means the president can sell pardons, etc.
- Bluestein 2y ago
  > Prosecutors and cops can violate federal laws and get away with them if they do it with full support from the president. This would entail no less than a full breakdown of the social order.-
  - nabla9 2y ago
    That's the stated plan of conservatives. Kevin Roberts (Heritage foundation president): "And so I come full circle on this response and just want to encourage you with some substance that we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be." https://www.mediamatters.org/project-2025/heritage-foundation-president-celebrates-supreme-court-immunity-decision-we-are https://www.mediamatters.org/project-2025/heritage-foundatio... To gut the administrative state from within by flooding it with their own people. There are two ways to see it: 1. Conservatives are silly and stupid people who dream big put can't pull it off due to incompetence, or 2. This is a real and imminent threat to society. But it is not conspiracy theory without basis in fact. They are stating openly what they intent do speech after speech. and have 1000 page manual they published.
    - Bluestein 2y ago
      It is - and should be - really concerning.-

8 points by Bluestein 2y ago

illuminant 2y ago

Leave it to Richard Marcinko (rip) and it'll never come back to the prez!

johng 2y ago

Talk about fear mongering.

talldayo 2y ago
The article itself is just repeating the dissenting opinion from the Supreme Court. It's not fearmongering to present a hypothetical legal situation that might resolve with undesirable outcomes. Now, you could argue that the dissent was fearmongering but technically that's what you're supposed to do when you identify a glaring problem in a ruling. Otherwise you won't convince people the mistake is worth fixing.
- Bluestein 2y ago
  > Otherwise you won't convince people the mistake is worth fixing. Indeed. You are arguing your side of the case and ought to give it your all.-

oldpersonintx 2y ago

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jki275 2y ago

This kind of fearmongering really misreads the decision. The court's decision doesn't leave room for any of this. https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4757174-supreme-court-presidential-immunity/ https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4757174-supreme-court-...

nabla9 2y ago

Combined with project 2024 plan it does not even have to go that far. They will increase politically selected government officials by thousand or so. They obey blindly the president. When they violate federal law by doing so, the president direct DOJ not to prosecute, or pardon them. Prosecutors and cops can violate federal laws and get away with them if they do it with full support from the president. Because pardon power is core presidential power, it has absolute immunity in this interpretation as is any interference with DOJ. Even Amy Coney Barrett dissented with the part where any prosecution of a former president, juries cannot consider evidence touching on official acts, even in a criminal case based only on private conduct, which is not shielded. This also means the president can sell pardons, etc.

Bluestein 2y ago
> Prosecutors and cops can violate federal laws and get away with them if they do it with full support from the president. This would entail no less than a full breakdown of the social order.-
- nabla9 2y ago
  That's the stated plan of conservatives. Kevin Roberts (Heritage foundation president): "And so I come full circle on this response and just want to encourage you with some substance that we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be." https://www.mediamatters.org/project-2025/heritage-foundation-president-celebrates-supreme-court-immunity-decision-we-are https://www.mediamatters.org/project-2025/heritage-foundatio... To gut the administrative state from within by flooding it with their own people. There are two ways to see it: 1. Conservatives are silly and stupid people who dream big put can't pull it off due to incompetence, or 2. This is a real and imminent threat to society. But it is not conspiracy theory without basis in fact. They are stating openly what they intent do speech after speech. and have 1000 page manual they published.
  - Bluestein 2y ago
    It is - and should be - really concerning.-