> it’s not clear to me that if we taught quite a bit less math to most kids and even college students, anything bad would happen. My grandparents never passed

> it’s not clear to me that if we taught quite a bit less math to most kids and even college students, anything bad would happen. My grandparents never passed grade 4 of primary school. They absolutely *crushed* anybody, including university people with supposedly strong math inclination, in math and solving skills. Basic arith and probably a bare-acquired intuition of some algebra. They could do everything in their heads, buy things, make deals, and could dance around most people with riddles and stuff like that some were math-related. I remember one of them that around 15 people of later generations were trying to solve (like for a week), and only one did it. (remember, there was large family and friends, I have 6 uncles) Even those around 80-90 years old still crush it. No, they were not savants. Other grandparents of that generation were like that. And their sons could do better than grandsons. I need machines to help me. And I was the #1 in school.