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States need to adopt safe harbor clauses for parents. A particular part of a town / city being unsafe for kids should not be seen as the parents' problem, but a

States need to adopt safe harbor clauses for parents. A particular part of a town / city being unsafe for kids should not be seen as the parents' problem, but an indictment of bad city planning, services, and management. EDIT: Also this story is insane. Who sees a neighbor kid playing in their yard and calls the police? I'm going to generalize here and speak about my fellow conservatives (because Florida is a solid red state at this point), but I've noticed many have little interest in actually living in a conservative way. In the 'olden days' people would just invite the kid in because -- you know -- you knew your neighbors and thought they were good people (or at least tolerable people). Nowadays, it seems everybody just ignores their neighbors and minds their own business. Not that it's only conservatives who do this (far from it; it seems systemic). Imagine calling the police on your neighbor's kid! EDIT 2: From the article: "The authorities claim he had no access to water or shelter". Again... can you imagine being a kid in your own neighborhood and not being fairly certain that, if you needed it, one of your neighbors would give you WATER? I know all the kids on my block and regularly invite them over to play with our kids if we're all outside, and have no compunction giving them water? For goodness' sake, the person phoning the police should have been arrested for not undertaking the most basic neighborly duties to a child.

gosub100 2y ago
> I'm going to generalize here and speak about my fellow conservatives That's not generalizing because you don't know which category the person is from. What you did was fabricate a scapegoat using your imagination. There are plenty of valid reasons to let the police handle a legal dispute involving a child.
jwells89 2y ago
I’ve spoken about it in other threads, but I believe that a significant factor in the the weakening of neighborhood community is the need for people to move frequently (relative to the past) to have access to opportunity (whether it be education, employment, or something else). Each move means a total reset of social connections for the individual moving and a hole left behind in the community being moved out of. Eventually nobody in a neighborhood other than a handful of longtimers (likely retirees) knows each other and everybody is a stranger. I think it would do an immense amount of good if employers in particular made greater efforts to allow employees to stay where they are, whether that be through small satellite offices or remote work.
- HPsquared 2y ago
  Remote work has the potential to solve so many societal ills.
marxisttemp 2y ago
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cogman10 2y ago
Do we actually know the circumstances here? I have family that work in CPS (in Utah) and it takes A LOT before kids will be removed and placed in foster care. Even then, the end goal of the foster service is to reunite the kids with their families. Right now, we just have an anonymous claim with a pinky promise from the author that this is real. I'm thinking of the recent Ruby Franke incident. Were Ruby to describe the situation she might say her kids were outside for their health. However, dig in just a little and you find that she was severely abusing them for drinking water to try and force out the devil.
- ensignavenger 2y ago
  The reporters claim to have reviewed the actual case files in the article. I am always a little skeptical of these types of articles as well. But I do know firsthand (people I know directly and am familiar with the conditions and case) of cases of CPS way overrating, to both deliberately false reports and well intentioned reports that were mistaken.

gosub100 2y ago

> I'm going to generalize here and speak about my fellow conservatives That's not generalizing because you don't know which category the person is from. What you did was fabricate a scapegoat using your imagination. There are plenty of valid reasons to let the police handle a legal dispute involving a child.

jwells89 2y ago

I’ve spoken about it in other threads, but I believe that a significant factor in the the weakening of neighborhood community is the need for people to move frequently (relative to the past) to have access to opportunity (whether it be education, employment, or something else). Each move means a total reset of social connections for the individual moving and a hole left behind in the community being moved out of. Eventually nobody in a neighborhood other than a handful of longtimers (likely retirees) knows each other and everybody is a stranger. I think it would do an immense amount of good if employers in particular made greater efforts to allow employees to stay where they are, whether that be through small satellite offices or remote work.

HPsquared 2y ago
Remote work has the potential to solve so many societal ills.

marxisttemp 2y ago

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cogman10 2y ago

Do we actually know the circumstances here? I have family that work in CPS (in Utah) and it takes A LOT before kids will be removed and placed in foster care. Even then, the end goal of the foster service is to reunite the kids with their families. Right now, we just have an anonymous claim with a pinky promise from the author that this is real. I'm thinking of the recent Ruby Franke incident. Were Ruby to describe the situation she might say her kids were outside for their health. However, dig in just a little and you find that she was severely abusing them for drinking water to try and force out the devil.

ensignavenger 2y ago
The reporters claim to have reviewed the actual case files in the article. I am always a little skeptical of these types of articles as well. But I do know firsthand (people I know directly and am familiar with the conditions and case) of cases of CPS way overrating, to both deliberately false reports and well intentioned reports that were mistaken.