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I feel a bit silly being excited about this, but of course there's a circa 50s office solution that requires no batteries and electronics. I don't know what I w

I feel a bit silly being excited about this, but of course there's a circa 50s office solution that requires no batteries and electronics. I don't know what I was thinking!

brudgers 2y ago
I didn't mean to make you feel silly, sorry. Dymo was the logical extreme of my concern regarding security architecture. What I mean is there are three vectors for attacking a label printer: physical access, local network access, and internet access. If an attacker has physical access, your problem isn't the label printer, it's physical security. If an attacker has local network access to your label printer, your problem isn't the label printer it's network security. There are use cases where internet access is worth a security risk. In that case, device choice should reflect the risk. Consumer hardware has a different risk profile than commercial hardware. Enterprise hardware has a different profile too. Same with custom bespoke solutions from consultants. Updating the kernel on a consumer device typically means connecting the device to the internet because an internet connection is the most consumer friendly way to update it. For consumer devices convenience is generally more important than IT security. My gut reaction that led to my response is that security requires engineering analysis of budget, risks, and rewards. Hardening the Linux kernel of a Brother label printer isn't better engineering because the IT problem it addresses is more fundamental. Again, sorry for making you feel silly. It was not my intent.
- makmanalp 2y ago
  Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that - I just meant as in feeling so excited like a child over what amounts to a manual labelmaker :-) No bad vibes at all on my end though. Very interesting about the rest though, thanks for the comment.
  - brudgers 2y ago
    They are cool and I almost bought one, that's why Dymo's were mentally at hand. Instead I bought the cheapest Brother on Amazon...it doesn't connect to the internet, just sits in a drawer. Maybe if I come across a Dymo in a thrift store, I'll have one too because they are kind of cool. Which reminds me, about 25 years ago I had a Kroy 80 in my studio. The Kroy 80 is a Dymo on steriods. https://munk.org/typecast/2012/08/17/kroy-80-80k-sales-brochure-with-fonts/ https://munk.org/typecast/2012/08/17/kroy-80-80k-sales-broch...

I feel a bit silly being excited about this, but of course there's a circa 50s office solution that requires no batteries and electronics. I don't know what I was thinking!

brudgers 2y ago

I didn't mean to make you feel silly, sorry. Dymo was the logical extreme of my concern regarding security architecture. What I mean is there are three vectors for attacking a label printer: physical access, local network access, and internet access. If an attacker has physical access, your problem isn't the label printer, it's physical security. If an attacker has local network access to your label printer, your problem isn't the label printer it's network security. There are use cases where internet access is worth a security risk. In that case, device choice should reflect the risk. Consumer hardware has a different risk profile than commercial hardware. Enterprise hardware has a different profile too. Same with custom bespoke solutions from consultants. Updating the kernel on a consumer device typically means connecting the device to the internet because an internet connection is the most consumer friendly way to update it. For consumer devices convenience is generally more important than IT security. My gut reaction that led to my response is that security requires engineering analysis of budget, risks, and rewards. Hardening the Linux kernel of a Brother label printer isn't better engineering because the IT problem it addresses is more fundamental. Again, sorry for making you feel silly. It was not my intent.

makmanalp 2y ago
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that - I just meant as in feeling so excited like a child over what amounts to a manual labelmaker :-) No bad vibes at all on my end though. Very interesting about the rest though, thanks for the comment.
- brudgers 2y ago
  They are cool and I almost bought one, that's why Dymo's were mentally at hand. Instead I bought the cheapest Brother on Amazon...it doesn't connect to the internet, just sits in a drawer. Maybe if I come across a Dymo in a thrift store, I'll have one too because they are kind of cool. Which reminds me, about 25 years ago I had a Kroy 80 in my studio. The Kroy 80 is a Dymo on steriods. https://munk.org/typecast/2012/08/17/kroy-80-80k-sales-brochure-with-fonts/ https://munk.org/typecast/2012/08/17/kroy-80-80k-sales-broch...