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Yeah your friend is flat out wrong. Its actually silly how many people (in Europe at least) think they can forbid you from recording them “because copyright”.

smogcutter 2y ago
But if people generally believe the folk version of the law, does it really help to be technically in the clear? You can still easily find yourself in an really unpleasant and pointless confrontation.
- SassyBird 2y ago
  If you avoid the slightest possibility of unpleasant and pointless confrontations, then you’re going to lead a very dull life. I sometimes photograph random people. Never has anyone had an issue with that. Sometimes they approach me and we have a chat. That’s all that happens. I’ve had more chances of being hit by a car than anyone having an issue with me taking pictures of them. Boils down not being a dick about it.
  - Mountain_Skies 2y ago
    When we were travelling in the Andes, we were warned multiple times to not take photographs of local peoples without their permission as they could take offense. Seems like a reasonable position but should the wishes of people in the Andes be respected while those of people in Europe ignored? If so, why?
    - SassyBird 2y ago
      Is it standard for people in the Andes to take offence at people taking pictures of them? I don’t know, maybe it is, haven’t been there. It is not in Europe.
      - jorvi 2y ago
        Err.. what? If you walk up to a random European on the street and start taking photos of specifically them, they’ll get agitated real quick.
        SassyBird 2y ago
        Thanks for taking the most uncharitable interpretation of what I wrote possible. It’s so productive.
  - AlbertCory 2y ago
    "I'm not an animal in the zoo." how about that? You are being a dick by taking my picture without permission. That's what it boils down to.
  - phito 2y ago
    I would think you're a dick if I saw you taking pictures of me without asking. Also, a creep.
aniviacat 2y ago
According to a lawsuit in 2020 [1] his friend is right. From the lawsuit: "Ein gezieltes Fotografieren von fremden Personen ist auch dann unzulässig, wenn die Verwendung ausschließlich privaten Zwecken dienen soll." Translation via DeepL: "Targeted photography of other people is not permitted even if the use is exclusively for private purposes." [1] https://www.landesrecht-hamburg.de/bsha/document/NJRE001465694 https://www.landesrecht-hamburg.de/bsha/document/NJRE0014656...
- interloxia 2y ago
  I find it difficult to understand the boundaries of private rights in public spaces with rulings like that one. It's not like Hamburg residents have the freedom to opt out of surveillance cameras. Even Street View is back. I would hope that such cases would use rules around harassment instead of privacy laws for people in public spaces.
- throwaway290 2y ago
  How to tell what's targeted at you specifically and what's street photography art?
tzs 2y ago
Who said anything about copyright?

smogcutter 2y ago

But if people generally believe the folk version of the law, does it really help to be technically in the clear? You can still easily find yourself in an really unpleasant and pointless confrontation.

SassyBird 2y ago
If you avoid the slightest possibility of unpleasant and pointless confrontations, then you’re going to lead a very dull life. I sometimes photograph random people. Never has anyone had an issue with that. Sometimes they approach me and we have a chat. That’s all that happens. I’ve had more chances of being hit by a car than anyone having an issue with me taking pictures of them. Boils down not being a dick about it.
- Mountain_Skies 2y ago
  When we were travelling in the Andes, we were warned multiple times to not take photographs of local peoples without their permission as they could take offense. Seems like a reasonable position but should the wishes of people in the Andes be respected while those of people in Europe ignored? If so, why?
  - SassyBird 2y ago
    Is it standard for people in the Andes to take offence at people taking pictures of them? I don’t know, maybe it is, haven’t been there. It is not in Europe.
    - jorvi 2y ago
      Err.. what? If you walk up to a random European on the street and start taking photos of specifically them, they’ll get agitated real quick.
      - SassyBird 2y ago
        Thanks for taking the most uncharitable interpretation of what I wrote possible. It’s so productive.
- AlbertCory 2y ago
  "I'm not an animal in the zoo." how about that? You are being a dick by taking my picture without permission. That's what it boils down to.
- phito 2y ago
  I would think you're a dick if I saw you taking pictures of me without asking. Also, a creep.

aniviacat 2y ago

According to a lawsuit in 2020 [1] his friend is right. From the lawsuit: "Ein gezieltes Fotografieren von fremden Personen ist auch dann unzulässig, wenn die Verwendung ausschließlich privaten Zwecken dienen soll." Translation via DeepL: "Targeted photography of other people is not permitted even if the use is exclusively for private purposes." [1] https://www.landesrecht-hamburg.de/bsha/document/NJRE001465694 https://www.landesrecht-hamburg.de/bsha/document/NJRE0014656...

interloxia 2y ago
I find it difficult to understand the boundaries of private rights in public spaces with rulings like that one. It's not like Hamburg residents have the freedom to opt out of surveillance cameras. Even Street View is back. I would hope that such cases would use rules around harassment instead of privacy laws for people in public spaces.
throwaway290 2y ago
How to tell what's targeted at you specifically and what's street photography art?

tzs 2y ago