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The article was originally published by The Irrawaddy - an amazing, high quality online-paper. The Irrawaddy does detailed and ethical journalism about Burma/M

The article was originally published by The Irrawaddy - an amazing, high quality online-paper. The Irrawaddy does detailed and ethical journalism about Burma/Myanmar, a part of the world ruled by an authoritarian regime. There's no Irrawaddy for Venezuela, Afghanistan, or North Korea. We only see them by the shadows they leave on other countries. But because of the hard work of The Irrawaddy, Burma/Myanmar is much more visible to English-speaking audiences - a touchy demographic in the country being covered. The least you could do is link to the original publisher, especially when they are such an amazing group.

cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
“The least you could do is…”. Being a fan of some journalists doesn’t justify being this aggressive. There are nicer ways to say this.
- gchamonlive 2y ago
  If the article is indeed based off another article, I think that is really the very least it could do without risking being called out for plagiarism.
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago
  >>“The least you could do is…”. > There are nicer ways to say this. Could they be as effective, though?
- squigz 2y ago
  That really wasn't aggressive. How would you have phrased it?
freedomben 2y ago
You said all that (which I agree with), but you didn't provide a link: https://www.irrawaddy.com/in-person/interview/war-on-citizens-how-juntas-vpn-ban-is-strangling-communication-in-myanmar.html https://www.irrawaddy.com/in-person/interview/war-on-citizen...
- pyuser583 2y ago
  Hahaha, I’m so sorry. You are right. Thank you.
- dang 2y ago
  Ok, we've changed the URL above to that from https://globalvoices.org/2024/06/28/war-on-citizens-how-the-juntas-vpn-ban-is-strangling-communication-in-myanmar/ https://globalvoices.org/2024/06/28/war-on-citizens-how-the-.... Thanks!
alephnerd 2y ago
> There's no Irrawaddy for Venezuela, Afghanistan, or North Korea There are several for Afghanistan (Tolo, Rukhsana, Bano, Khaama, Pajhwok, etc) and Venezuela (Pitazo, Efecto Cocuyo, Runrun). You just choose not to read them, or don't want to put the legwork to find and read Spanish, Pukhto, Dari, Uzbek, or regional English publications. And Irrawaddy has issues as well - they lack the ability to report on what's happening on the ground in Arakan, Sagaing, and Chinland and just repeat what spokespersons of those region's warlords say. Myanmar has become a Southeast Asian Syria or Libya with every regional power in the region (China, Thailand, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam) funding, aiding, and abetting warlords both within the Tatmadaw as well as within the various liberation coalitions. It feels weird how certain internet users (especially because most people on HN only started hearing about Irrawaddy after using junk subreddits like CredibleDefense or WorldNews) are following this horrible conflict with a sense of glee or at least entertainment. It's horrid.
- shufflerofrocks 2y ago
  >It feels weird how certain internet users (especially because most people on HN only started hearing about Irrawaddy after using junk subreddits like CredibleDefense or WorldNews) are following this horrible conflict with a sense of glee or at least entertainment. It's horrid. Noticed the same as well and it's happening over all social networks! I've seen this happening since Russia invaded Ukraine, so I assume it's cause of social media campgains and propoganda that started at the time - conflicts were dyed black and white removing all nuance, and people got off on "supporting" the side they picked
j-bos 2y ago
If that is the original article, you can send an email to hn using the contact link and they can update it.
tkgally 2y ago
> There's no Irrawaddy for ... North Korea. Rimjin-Gang [1] publishes news from North Korea in Japanese, English, and Korean. Their articles are based on reports from people inside North Korea using smuggled cellphones and focus on daily life. A list of other sources is at [2]. Note in particular 38North [3]. [1] https://www.asiapress.org/rimjin-gang/ https://www.asiapress.org/rimjin-gang/ [2] https://guides.library.cornell.edu/c.php?g=225914&p=1790887 https://guides.library.cornell.edu/c.php?g=225914&p=1790887 [3] https://www.38north.org/ https://www.38north.org/
jeromegv 2y ago
Venezuela has Caracas Chronicles, which is great. https://www.caracaschronicles.com/ https://www.caracaschronicles.com/
culi 2y ago
It's also been heavily criticized for using rhetoric that supports the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya minority in Myanmar[0] and being a mouthpiece for the Burmese government. The editor-in-chief has denied these allegations but has run a number of problematic pieces. Like a cartoon depicting a dark-skinned Rohingya cutting in line in front of other ethnic minorities, and another one which suggested Bangladeshis were waiting at the western edge of Myanmar ready to invade. Or running a fake news piece stating that the US ambassador alleged the Rohingya “would demand a Rohingya State or Muslim State” if their ethnic name were officially recognized It's also funded by the US (specifically, the U.S. National Endowment for Democracy has given it $150-200k every year since 2005)[1] [0] https://www.bustle.com/p/is-the-us-funding-anti-rohingya-news-coverage-in-myanmar-your-tax-dollars-could-be-making-the-crisis-worse-5486228 https://www.bustle.com/p/is-the-us-funding-anti-rohingya-new... [1] https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-is-the-us-government-funding-anti-rohingya-propaganda?source=TDB&via=FB_Page https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-is-the-us-government-fundi...
linearrust 2y ago
> The Irrawaddy does detailed and ethical journalism about Burma/Myanmar, a part of the world ruled by an authoritarian regime. Why does it feel like every time someone promotes 'ethical journalism' here, it's always state backed propaganda? Not only that, people use propaganda terms like 'authoritarian regime'. > There's no Irrawaddy for Venezuela, Afghanistan, or North Korea. No. There are many british, american, etc funded propaganda outlets ( fringe and major ) targeting these countries. > But because of the hard work of The Irrawaddy, Burma/Myanmar is much more visible to English-speaking audiences Could it be because britain, the former colonial master of myanmar, is trying to overthrow the regime? > especially when they are such an amazing group. Are they 'amazing' though?
- deleted 2y ago
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- pyuser583 2y ago
  My comment included a lot of stock phrases and low-thought words. “Authoritarian regime,” etc. Sorry. That was poor style on my part. I also made some sweeping statements about media coverage in other countries. Sorry. Low thought on my part. I was trying to give credit to some folks who deserve it, but instead I made what looks like a State Department press release. Sorry. I’ve been trying to spend less time writing these comments out. You can spend a day on a couple paragraphs. Not a good use of time. I’ll be more careful in the future.
  - linearrust 2y ago
    What a bizarre response. But not unexpected.
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- racional 2y ago
  Why does it feel like every time someone promotes 'ethical journalism' here, it's always state backed propaganda? A quick keyword search on the phrase easily refutes the supposition you're making here. Not only that, people use propaganda terms like 'authoritarian regime'. Probably because it would seem to be a reasonable enough description of the system of government in that country since 1962. Meanwhile the weirdly exaggerated language you're using here seems to be in itself quite propagandistic.

cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago

“The least you could do is…”. Being a fan of some journalists doesn’t justify being this aggressive. There are nicer ways to say this.

gchamonlive 2y ago
If the article is indeed based off another article, I think that is really the very least it could do without risking being called out for plagiarism.
Ylpertnodi 2y ago
>>“The least you could do is…”. > There are nicer ways to say this. Could they be as effective, though?
squigz 2y ago
That really wasn't aggressive. How would you have phrased it?

freedomben 2y ago

You said all that (which I agree with), but you didn't provide a link: https://www.irrawaddy.com/in-person/interview/war-on-citizens-how-juntas-vpn-ban-is-strangling-communication-in-myanmar.html https://www.irrawaddy.com/in-person/interview/war-on-citizen...

pyuser583 2y ago
Hahaha, I’m so sorry. You are right. Thank you.
dang 2y ago
Ok, we've changed the URL above to that from https://globalvoices.org/2024/06/28/war-on-citizens-how-the-juntas-vpn-ban-is-strangling-communication-in-myanmar/ https://globalvoices.org/2024/06/28/war-on-citizens-how-the-.... Thanks!

alephnerd 2y ago

> There's no Irrawaddy for Venezuela, Afghanistan, or North Korea There are several for Afghanistan (Tolo, Rukhsana, Bano, Khaama, Pajhwok, etc) and Venezuela (Pitazo, Efecto Cocuyo, Runrun). You just choose not to read them, or don't want to put the legwork to find and read Spanish, Pukhto, Dari, Uzbek, or regional English publications. And Irrawaddy has issues as well - they lack the ability to report on what's happening on the ground in Arakan, Sagaing, and Chinland and just repeat what spokespersons of those region's warlords say. Myanmar has become a Southeast Asian Syria or Libya with every regional power in the region (China, Thailand, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam) funding, aiding, and abetting warlords both within the Tatmadaw as well as within the various liberation coalitions. It feels weird how certain internet users (especially because most people on HN only started hearing about Irrawaddy after using junk subreddits like CredibleDefense or WorldNews) are following this horrible conflict with a sense of glee or at least entertainment. It's horrid.

shufflerofrocks 2y ago
>It feels weird how certain internet users (especially because most people on HN only started hearing about Irrawaddy after using junk subreddits like CredibleDefense or WorldNews) are following this horrible conflict with a sense of glee or at least entertainment. It's horrid. Noticed the same as well and it's happening over all social networks! I've seen this happening since Russia invaded Ukraine, so I assume it's cause of social media campgains and propoganda that started at the time - conflicts were dyed black and white removing all nuance, and people got off on "supporting" the side they picked

j-bos 2y ago

If that is the original article, you can send an email to hn using the contact link and they can update it.

tkgally 2y ago

> There's no Irrawaddy for ... North Korea. Rimjin-Gang [1] publishes news from North Korea in Japanese, English, and Korean. Their articles are based on reports from people inside North Korea using smuggled cellphones and focus on daily life. A list of other sources is at [2]. Note in particular 38North [3]. [1] https://www.asiapress.org/rimjin-gang/ https://www.asiapress.org/rimjin-gang/ [2] https://guides.library.cornell.edu/c.php?g=225914&p=1790887 https://guides.library.cornell.edu/c.php?g=225914&p=1790887 [3] https://www.38north.org/ https://www.38north.org/

jeromegv 2y ago

Venezuela has Caracas Chronicles, which is great. https://www.caracaschronicles.com/ https://www.caracaschronicles.com/

culi 2y ago

It's also been heavily criticized for using rhetoric that supports the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya minority in Myanmar[0] and being a mouthpiece for the Burmese government. The editor-in-chief has denied these allegations but has run a number of problematic pieces. Like a cartoon depicting a dark-skinned Rohingya cutting in line in front of other ethnic minorities, and another one which suggested Bangladeshis were waiting at the western edge of Myanmar ready to invade. Or running a fake news piece stating that the US ambassador alleged the Rohingya “would demand a Rohingya State or Muslim State” if their ethnic name were officially recognized It's also funded by the US (specifically, the U.S. National Endowment for Democracy has given it $150-200k every year since 2005)[1] [0] https://www.bustle.com/p/is-the-us-funding-anti-rohingya-news-coverage-in-myanmar-your-tax-dollars-could-be-making-the-crisis-worse-5486228 https://www.bustle.com/p/is-the-us-funding-anti-rohingya-new... [1] https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-is-the-us-government-funding-anti-rohingya-propaganda?source=TDB&via=FB_Page https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-is-the-us-government-fundi...

linearrust 2y ago

> The Irrawaddy does detailed and ethical journalism about Burma/Myanmar, a part of the world ruled by an authoritarian regime. Why does it feel like every time someone promotes 'ethical journalism' here, it's always state backed propaganda? Not only that, people use propaganda terms like 'authoritarian regime'. > There's no Irrawaddy for Venezuela, Afghanistan, or North Korea. No. There are many british, american, etc funded propaganda outlets ( fringe and major ) targeting these countries. > But because of the hard work of The Irrawaddy, Burma/Myanmar is much more visible to English-speaking audiences Could it be because britain, the former colonial master of myanmar, is trying to overthrow the regime? > especially when they are such an amazing group. Are they 'amazing' though?

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pyuser583 2y ago
My comment included a lot of stock phrases and low-thought words. “Authoritarian regime,” etc. Sorry. That was poor style on my part. I also made some sweeping statements about media coverage in other countries. Sorry. Low thought on my part. I was trying to give credit to some folks who deserve it, but instead I made what looks like a State Department press release. Sorry. I’ve been trying to spend less time writing these comments out. You can spend a day on a couple paragraphs. Not a good use of time. I’ll be more careful in the future.
- linearrust 2y ago
  What a bizarre response. But not unexpected.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
racional 2y ago
Why does it feel like every time someone promotes 'ethical journalism' here, it's always state backed propaganda? A quick keyword search on the phrase easily refutes the supposition you're making here. Not only that, people use propaganda terms like 'authoritarian regime'. Probably because it would seem to be a reasonable enough description of the system of government in that country since 1962. Meanwhile the weirdly exaggerated language you're using here seems to be in itself quite propagandistic.