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Out of curiosity, have you tested what happens if you buy a new iPhone and upgrade from old to new one? (Preferably no backup, just the new/standard upgrade pro

Out of curiosity, have you tested what happens if you buy a new iPhone and upgrade from old to new one? (Preferably no backup, just the new/standard upgrade procedure where you bring the new device close to the old one, and Apple does its magic.) The only reason why I use (and recommend) Authy is that when I get a new phone it just works, while other apps require to somehow open them and do some operation between old and new phone. If it works, happy to switch to an open alternative! (Asking about iPhone, but I assume Android folks would also be interested.)

radicality 2y ago
If you’re in the Apple/iOS ecosystem and want the syncing to happen via iCloud, you might as well use Apple’s built-in password manager which has support for 2FA codes.
- birdman3131 2y ago
  Just because your in the Apple ecosystem does not mean your not outside it as well and want the crossplatform side.
  - AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
    Exactly. I use BitWarden for this reason.
- ecesena 2y ago
  Oh wow, I missed the release. Will def test it. I've been using authy since 2017, anything I said above might need a refresh :)
vishnumohandas 2y ago
We have intentionally opted out of this[1][2] for now, since we did not want to create a dependency on iCloud for backups. So if you purchase a new device, you will either have to sign in to Ente Auth again (for E2EE sync), or export your codes from the older device, and import it to the newer device. [1]: https://github.com/ente-io/ente/blob/8b696b1242bce2f166ddd6a0efc61114bb9c051f/auth/lib/core/configuration.dart#L69-L71 https://github.com/ente-io/ente/blob/8b696b1242bce2f166ddd6a... [2]: https://github.com/mogol/flutter_secure_storage/blob/cb30953edc029dc4059b72700270b4cd3a3afade/flutter_secure_storage/lib/options/apple_options.dart#L21-L23 https://github.com/mogol/flutter_secure_storage/blob/cb30953...
- ecesena 2y ago
  Thank you. FWIW, my need comes primarily from non-technical/inexperienced users. I can't tell my parents/many friends to remember to "sign into all these apps" as soon as they get a new phone, or they loose access to banks & co. Regardless I appreciate that at least you made a conscious decision.
  - snailmailman 2y ago
    I’ve seen this happen. A family member set up google auth. Then later got a new phone. I know I’ve transferred google auth across phones in the past - although possibly over iTunes? The new iPhone setup process works differently I guess. My family member did the new transfer feature, then wiped the old phone. Then later discovered that they don’t have access to some important accounts, because google Authenticator was completely empty. Luckily they did actually have a physically printed backup copy.
    - RulerOf 2y ago
      > I know I’ve transferred google auth across phones in the past - although possibly over iTunes? The new iPhone setup process works differently I guess. There were a few brief years where an encrypted iTunes backup was a perfect, universally-restorable image of an iOS device. You could back up an iPhone, pop out the SIM card, destroy the original phone, then pop the SIM into a new one, restore the backup, and it would be nearly-impossible to determine that the device was different from a daily UX standpoint. Even MS Exchange email sync would still work. Then around the time that iCloud K/V store showed up (which may be coincidental), this stopped working. Every app would start up and ask you to log in. Email needs reauthentication. Encrypted iTunes backups aren't terribly useful anymore.
  - nerdponx 2y ago
    OTP Auth supports iCloud sync in the paid version.
    - clemiclemen 2y ago
captn3m0 2y ago
I use Tofu on iOS and it nicely migrated my tokens from a iPhone SE to a 13 Mini. It does not do iCloud backups, so it was a straight device to device transfer.

radicality 2y ago

If you’re in the Apple/iOS ecosystem and want the syncing to happen via iCloud, you might as well use Apple’s built-in password manager which has support for 2FA codes.

birdman3131 2y ago
Just because your in the Apple ecosystem does not mean your not outside it as well and want the crossplatform side.
- AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
  Exactly. I use BitWarden for this reason.
ecesena 2y ago
Oh wow, I missed the release. Will def test it. I've been using authy since 2017, anything I said above might need a refresh :)

vishnumohandas 2y ago

We have intentionally opted out of this[1][2] for now, since we did not want to create a dependency on iCloud for backups. So if you purchase a new device, you will either have to sign in to Ente Auth again (for E2EE sync), or export your codes from the older device, and import it to the newer device. [1]: https://github.com/ente-io/ente/blob/8b696b1242bce2f166ddd6a0efc61114bb9c051f/auth/lib/core/configuration.dart#L69-L71 https://github.com/ente-io/ente/blob/8b696b1242bce2f166ddd6a... [2]: https://github.com/mogol/flutter_secure_storage/blob/cb30953edc029dc4059b72700270b4cd3a3afade/flutter_secure_storage/lib/options/apple_options.dart#L21-L23 https://github.com/mogol/flutter_secure_storage/blob/cb30953...

ecesena 2y ago
Thank you. FWIW, my need comes primarily from non-technical/inexperienced users. I can't tell my parents/many friends to remember to "sign into all these apps" as soon as they get a new phone, or they loose access to banks & co. Regardless I appreciate that at least you made a conscious decision.
- snailmailman 2y ago
  I’ve seen this happen. A family member set up google auth. Then later got a new phone. I know I’ve transferred google auth across phones in the past - although possibly over iTunes? The new iPhone setup process works differently I guess. My family member did the new transfer feature, then wiped the old phone. Then later discovered that they don’t have access to some important accounts, because google Authenticator was completely empty. Luckily they did actually have a physically printed backup copy.
  - RulerOf 2y ago
    > I know I’ve transferred google auth across phones in the past - although possibly over iTunes? The new iPhone setup process works differently I guess. There were a few brief years where an encrypted iTunes backup was a perfect, universally-restorable image of an iOS device. You could back up an iPhone, pop out the SIM card, destroy the original phone, then pop the SIM into a new one, restore the backup, and it would be nearly-impossible to determine that the device was different from a daily UX standpoint. Even MS Exchange email sync would still work. Then around the time that iCloud K/V store showed up (which may be coincidental), this stopped working. Every app would start up and ask you to log in. Email needs reauthentication. Encrypted iTunes backups aren't terribly useful anymore.
- nerdponx 2y ago
  OTP Auth supports iCloud sync in the paid version.
  - clemiclemen 2y ago

captn3m0 2y ago

I use Tofu on iOS and it nicely migrated my tokens from a iPhone SE to a 13 Mini. It does not do iCloud backups, so it was a straight device to device transfer.