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On the other hand "1700s art" sounds like trash compared to "18th century art".
by jrockway 2y ago
On the other hand "1700s art" sounds like trash compared to "18th century art".
- rz2k 2y agoHow about if you say "settecento"? Maybe it is a new confusion that they drop a thousand years, and maybe it would imply Italian art specifically.
- lucb1e 2y agoJust to make sure I understood this, that would be used as "17th settecento" to mean 1700s right? (This Xth century business always bothered and genuinely confused me to no end and everyone always dismissed my objections that it's a confusing thing to say. I'm a bit surprised, but also relieved, to see this thread exists. Yes, please, kill all off-by-one century business in favor of 1700s and 17th settecento or anything else you fancy, so long as it's 17-prefixed/-suffixed and not some off-by-anything-other-than-zero number)
- animaomnium 2y ago"settecento" can be read as "seven hundred" in Italian; gramps is proposing to use a more specific word as a tag for Italian art from the 1700s. Of course, 700 is not 1700, hence the "drop 1000 years". The prefix seventeen in Italian is "diciassette-" so perhaps "diciasettecento" would be more accurate for the 1700s. (settecento is shorter, though.) Hope this clarifies. Not to miss the forest for the trees, to reiterate, the main takeaway is that it may be better to define and use a specific tag to pinpoint a sequence of events in a given period (e.g. settecento) instead of gesturing with something as arbitrary and wide as a century (18th century art).
- worstspotgain 2y agoYou're looking for millesettecento [1]. Italian doesn't do 10-99 hundreds, just 1-9 hundreds and 1-99 thousands. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMIGnMs4VZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMIGnMs4VZA
- rz2k 2y agoThink of it as the 700s, which is a weird way to refer to the 1700s, unless you are taking a cue from the common usage. That’s just how the periods are referenced by Italian art historians.
- hk__2 2y ago> That’s just how the periods are referenced by Italian art historians. And Italian people in general.
- psychoslave 2y agoNot much different from 60s refering to 1960 to 1969, to my mind
- coldtea 2y agosettecento means "700". Just proposed above as a way to say 18th century or 1700s, same as we sometimes remove the "2000" and just say "the 10s" for the decade starting 2010 (nobody cares for the 2011-as-start convention except people you don't want to talk to in the first place).
- bandyaboot 2y agoIf using “1700s”, I’d write it as “art of the 1700s”.
- burkaman 2y agoI think that's good, because it helps you realize that categorizing art by century is kind of arbitrary and meaningless, and if possible it would be more useful to say something like "neoclassical art from the 1700s". "18th century" isn't an artistic category, but it kind of sounds like it is if you just glance at it. "Art from the 1700s" is clearly just referring to a time period.
- darby_nine 2y ago> I think that's good, because it helps you realize that categorizing art by century is kind of arbitrary and meaningless no it won't lol, people will pay just as much through the new dating system as they would through the old.
- coldtea 2y agoPeople pay as much for art because they are the rare combination of educated person with money which values the aesthetics and artifacts of an era, or as something to signal their wealth to others, or as a way to launder money.
- BlarfMcFlarf 2y agoAgreed. The haiku is “18th century art” as that’s when it was first invented. So it’s either a uselessly broad category, or an indefensibly Eurocentric one.
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- cm2187 2y agoAnd 1700s already has a different meaning, i.e. early 18th century.
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