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I'm trying to find a source for this.
by popcalc 2y ago
I'm trying to find a source for this.
- kragen 2y agoapparently i misremembered; papermaking and ink are on the list, but not printing or movable type from http://images.mofcom.gov.cn/fms/202312/20231221153855374.pdf http://images.mofcom.gov.cn/fms/202312/20231221153855374.pdf 4 造纸和 纸制品 业 082201J 造纸技术 1.宣纸的生产工艺 2.迁安书画纸的配方及生产工艺 also, item #6 is gunpowder; i think the chinese government wanted to remind the so-called west that all their wars have been fought with chinese technology for centuries
- yorwba 2y agoI'm pretty sure the document is not directed at anyone in the West (big hint: it's not in English) but rather for internal consumption. Hence also listing traditional Chinese medicine, which is irrelevant for the West, even historically, but plays an important domestic propaganda role as an equal-opportunity competitor to "Western" (i.e. evidence-based) medicine. As for the technology used to fight wars, as early as the Ming dynasty, cannons were re-imported from Portugal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongyipao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongyipao . Technology transfer has rarely been a one-way street.
- kragen 2y agoit's a law, not a press release; both are largely motivated by public relations, but the dynamics are very different. in particular none of china's laws are in english, as i imagine none of the laws of your country (nigeria?) are in chinese a lot of the particular traditional chinese medicines mentioned are not at all irrelevant to the west
- bitzun 2y agoBeing unable to trust my ability to translate and parse the linked document, what particular traditional chinese medicines mentioned are relevant to the west?
- kragen 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trametes_versicolor#Uses_and_research https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trametes_versicolor#Uses_and_r... andhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsutake#Uses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsutake#Uses are two of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aconitine#Uses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aconitine#Uses is extracted from 川乌 or 草乌. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordycepin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordycepin is extracted from cordyceps sinensis. 蟾酥 is https://www.erowid.org/animals/toads/toads_health1.shtml https://www.erowid.org/animals/toads/toads_health1.shtml. 马钱子 is a commonly used rat poison and human users described it as 'the paleolithic in a bottle': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strychnine#Other_Uses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strychnine#Other_Uses (the only person i know who injected it regretted it) aside from pharmaceutically interesting compounds, 龙血竭 has been commonly used in the 'west' as a furniture polish for centuries
- vintagedave 2y ago> the only person i know who injected it regretted it Knowing of strychnine only as rat poison until today (I didn’t know about the uses in the Wikipedia page) may I ask — what happened to this person?
- kragen 2y agohe's fine, but iirc he said it was the worst pain he'd ever felt. it used to be a common athletic doping drug the overall summary is that we're not talking about powdered rhino horn here. traditional 'western' medicine contains a mix of treatments that are ineffective (unicorn horn, usually bleeding), effective but dangerous (calomel, aconite, cocaine), and effective and safe (magnesia, willow bark). the same is true of traditional chinese medicine. the things listed here are all effective, perhaps too effective. i've had nightmares about cordycepin ever since i was a little kid studying organic chemistry
- vintagedave 2y agoThankyou :)