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The thing is we are acting like 99.9% p-zombies for most of our interactions with the world - that is we are acting unconsciosly for most of what we do. The qu
by sireat 2y ago
The thing is we are acting like 99.9% p-zombies for most of our interactions with the world - that is we are acting unconsciosly for most of what we do.
The question is where does that subjective 0.01% - the rider on top of the elephant come from?
We generally do not pay attention to walking, breathing or brushing teeth and so on.
We can do more complex tasks as well once we achieve unconscious mastery in some subject.
With proper training we can play chess or tennis ("The Inner Game of Tennis") at a high level, without paying attention. In fact it can be detrimental to think about one's performance.
It is the Dennett's "multiple drafts model" - but where does the subjective experience arise when some model is brought to foreground "thread"?
Thus allure of Chalmer's zombies. Why not have a 100% zombie?
There are many stories of people seemingly being conscious, yet not really.
Black out drunks driving home from a bar.
Hypoglycemic shock is another example - my wife's diabetic friend was responding seemingly logically and claiming to be conscious, yet she was not and paramedics were barely able to save her.
A human being can achieve very high levels on unconscious mastery in multiple subjects.
A very tired me gave a remote lecture (on intermediate Python) during Covid where I switched spoken languages mid-lecture and even answered questions in a different language. Meanwhile I was was half asleep and thinking about a different subject matter. I was not really aware of the lecture material - I had given the same lecture many times before - I was on autopilot.
Only after watching the Zoom recording I realized what had happened.
Thus, are there are some actions that our zombie (unconscious) states unable to produce?
Presumably, subjective experience helps in planning future actions. That could be one avenue to explore.
- kkoncevicius 2y agoJust wanted to say how much I like your answer. To me one of the bigger puzzles is why people have such different takes on consciousness. To some the idea of p-zombies is immediately clear. To others it is nonsense. But during my conversations about the topic I was never able to explain it adequately to someone sceptical. And from my perspective they (the sceptics) always conflate being conscious with talking, learning, thinking, remembering, etc.
- causal 2y agoGood points. Part of my issue with these discussions is the poor vocabulary we have for consciousness. Your comment alone probably touches on several types of consciousness. The kind of consciousness we're experiencing undoubtedly varies greatly by time and circumstance.