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> 4. So, materialism is false. Physicalism is conditionally false. If p-zombies are logically incoherent, the consciousness does not exist. It's an illusion.
by nabla9 2y ago
> 4. So, materialism is false.
Physicalism is conditionally false.
If p-zombies are logically incoherent, the consciousness does not exist. It's an illusion. This is the argument by Daniel Dennet. We are zombies.
I mean it's obvious to any physicalist that we don't really feel anything. There is no I, soul, no suffering in a in a rock, peas soup, or a human. It's all physical process.
- tasty_freeze 2y agoDennett was a determinist, but he preferred a compatibilist definition of free will. He didn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater so he kept the term but defined it to mean what he wanted it to mean. I have no problem with that. I don't use that definition of free will so I say I don't have free will. "There is no I, soul, no suffering in ... a human. " You have an idiosyncratic definition of suffering. If I offer you the option of having a warm bath or having your skin flayed and then be dipped in lemon juice, which would you prefer?
- nabla9 2y agoFree will and the hard problem of consciousness are orthogonal concepts. Completely unconscious automaton can have compatibilist free will and reverse. Compatibilist view does not require consciousness (in hard problem definition). > which would you prefer? Prefer is action, learned habituation response. There is nobody inside to see be aware of it according to Dennet. Simple control system with thermometer controlling heater has preference to homeostasis with certain temperature. Consciousness is illusion according to Dennet. Just because I can verbally express my preferred state does not imply I'm consious.