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Wild how the concept of basic accountability for deliberate obvious and egregious lies is breaking so many brains in here. The way I see it, we either reign in
by mandmandam 2y ago
Wild how the concept of basic accountability for deliberate obvious and egregious lies is breaking so many brains in here.
The way I see it, we either reign in the 'firehose of falsehood' style of electioneering, or we put our future in the hands of the best (ie, worst) liars.
"But if we had laws like this, how would we have ever invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? Would you jail Biden for lying about student loans and pandemic payments, or Obama for lying about Roe v Wade and Guantanamo?! 98% of our politicians would be jailed!!" ... Exactly.
The devil is certainly in the details with something like this - but to say it can't be done (without even trying) is defeatist.
- ecjhdnc2025 2y agoExactly right. Depressing to see the default assumption here, as usual.
- rightbyte 2y agoI don't get your reasoning. Not lying about Iraq would have been considered a 'lie'. Those in power decides what is considered a lie or not.
- mandmandam 2y ago> Not lying about Iraq would have been considered a 'lie'. ... What? > Those in power decides what is considered a lie or not. Not necessarily. There are in fact ways to give that power to independent groups, and to protect them from capture. Diversified funding, transparent auditing and finances, whistleblower protections, short tenures, etc etc. Saying that it's just impossible is, again, awfully defeatist - and we can't afford not to try.
- squigz 2y agoIt's not only defeatist, but it's playing directly into the hands of those they think will take over the system (even further) with this "ministry of thought"-esque approach.