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Hmm. Not commenting on the True/False marker on the snopes page, but > For the record, virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right debacle conclude

Hmm. Not commenting on the True/False marker on the snopes page, but > For the record, virtually every source that covered the Unite the Right debacle concluded that it was conceived of, led by and attended by white supremacists, and that therefore Trump's characterization was wrong. When it's clear to everyone that it's entirely a group of white supremacists, and someone says many of them actually are very fine people, to many that demonstrates an attempt to protect and legitimize the group and defend its atrocities by whitewashing the nature of its character. There's a lot of historical evidence of Trump's affinity for white supremacist groups and of their affinity for him in return (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump) so it's not like this was out of the blue. Personally I would say the given context above makes Biden's statement basically correct and Snopes's tag misleading (ok, I guess I did comment on it), which is I guess subjective.

EnigmaFlare 2y ago
"attended by white supremacists" doesn't mean "attended exclusively by white supremacists". Why not show how you know that all of them were?
- rayiner 2y ago
  Correct. Especially when Trump repeatedly and explicitly distinguished between white supremacists and people who oppose taking down the statue for other reasons. Trump was pushing back on the journalist’s attempt to paint everyone who opposed tearing down confederate statues as white supremacists. That was wholly reasonable. My Italian American neighbors oppose tearing down statues of Christopher Columbus. Are they Nazis too?
  - BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
    > My Italian American neighbors oppose tearing down statues of Christopher Columbus. Are they Nazis too? If the way they express their feelings is by joining the Nazis For Christopher Columbus march where the way they express their support for Christopher Columbus is by chanting "Jews will not replace us", that would probably answer the question for us.
  - ecjhdnc2025 2y ago
    People who oppose taking down the statue for other reasons who were in a procession shouting "you! will not! replace us!" and "jews! will not! replace us!" which are obvious "great replacement theory" tropes associated with the very white nationalists and neo-nazis who organised the rally, probably don't get to fall back on those "other reasons" without cause. Trump was trying to equivocate, to offer support in principle, even though every single one of the people in that rally was actually in the class of people who he was supposedly condemning, and he knew it. Quite aside from the fact that there is no ethical reason to oppose taking down confederate statues that were erected for explicitly white nationalist reasons: https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544266880/confederate-statues-were-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544266880/confederate-statues...
- ecjhdnc2025 2y ago
  How about that they were in a procession with flaming torches (nice-smelling though they might have been) behind people shouting nationalist, anti-semitic slogans? One way not to associate with that would be to walk away from it, rather than join in.
  - BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
    It will always be weird to me that when presented with the statement "I like soft cheeses, so I'm going to march in uniform with the Neo-Nazis For Soft Cheeses group today" some people will insist that the first part of that sentence is the only important part.
- viraptor 2y ago
  If you end up protesting alongside white supremacists, you're with them. You don't go to a protest supported by KKK just because you agree on a few specific points they raise. "Oh, hi, I see you're about to clash with antifa, but you see I'm also interested in preserving this statue, respectfully, I'll just stand here on the side". It's not like they were secretive about turning up there with a surprising agenda - the event was openly organised by white supremacists.

EnigmaFlare 2y ago

"attended by white supremacists" doesn't mean "attended exclusively by white supremacists". Why not show how you know that all of them were?

rayiner 2y ago
Correct. Especially when Trump repeatedly and explicitly distinguished between white supremacists and people who oppose taking down the statue for other reasons. Trump was pushing back on the journalist’s attempt to paint everyone who opposed tearing down confederate statues as white supremacists. That was wholly reasonable. My Italian American neighbors oppose tearing down statues of Christopher Columbus. Are they Nazis too?
- BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
  > My Italian American neighbors oppose tearing down statues of Christopher Columbus. Are they Nazis too? If the way they express their feelings is by joining the Nazis For Christopher Columbus march where the way they express their support for Christopher Columbus is by chanting "Jews will not replace us", that would probably answer the question for us.
- ecjhdnc2025 2y ago
  People who oppose taking down the statue for other reasons who were in a procession shouting "you! will not! replace us!" and "jews! will not! replace us!" which are obvious "great replacement theory" tropes associated with the very white nationalists and neo-nazis who organised the rally, probably don't get to fall back on those "other reasons" without cause. Trump was trying to equivocate, to offer support in principle, even though every single one of the people in that rally was actually in the class of people who he was supposedly condemning, and he knew it. Quite aside from the fact that there is no ethical reason to oppose taking down confederate statues that were erected for explicitly white nationalist reasons: https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544266880/confederate-statues-were-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544266880/confederate-statues...
ecjhdnc2025 2y ago
How about that they were in a procession with flaming torches (nice-smelling though they might have been) behind people shouting nationalist, anti-semitic slogans? One way not to associate with that would be to walk away from it, rather than join in.
- BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
  It will always be weird to me that when presented with the statement "I like soft cheeses, so I'm going to march in uniform with the Neo-Nazis For Soft Cheeses group today" some people will insist that the first part of that sentence is the only important part.
viraptor 2y ago
If you end up protesting alongside white supremacists, you're with them. You don't go to a protest supported by KKK just because you agree on a few specific points they raise. "Oh, hi, I see you're about to clash with antifa, but you see I'm also interested in preserving this statue, respectfully, I'll just stand here on the side". It's not like they were secretive about turning up there with a surprising agenda - the event was openly organised by white supremacists.