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At the risk of sounding petty let me say that, I am male and I can only speak about my part of the problem. 1. Do I feel bad about women achieving stuff in lif
by simula67 14y ago
At the risk of sounding petty let me say that, I am male and I can only speak about my part of the problem.
1. Do I feel bad about women achieving stuff in life ?
Yes.
2. Am I ashamed of the above fact?
Yes.
Lets face it, from what I have been able to figure out, this is the case with a lot of men in this world. Question we must be asking is : how do we go about solving this problem?
This is not as simple as just developing empathy for the other sex, because according to current customs and expectations: men are expected to be taking care of women, women should be trading up etc.
Whenever the question of equality of sexes come in tech, the arguments are always split into two factions. One side argues that there is no such thing as discrimination of sex in tech. It is a meritocracy and that is the only way it can be, and women are not in tech because they do not want to be / are naturally less talented in programming. The other side argues this is not the case and that you feel so only because you have no daughter/are a virgin/you are a basement dwelling looser.This line of thinking is not productive. Painting men as super villains in some grand 'Dan Brown'ian plot of conspiracy against women will NOT work.Especially with nerds. I am not saying anything excuses sexist behaviour just that villifying them may satisfy your ego, but will not accomplish anything.
- andrewcooke 14y ago"Do I feel bad about women achieving stuff in life ? Yes." is there a typo there? at the moment it reads like other people's (women's) successes make you feel bad.
- tonyarkles 14y agoAfter having re-read it a few times, I don't think there is a typo. That's why he feels "ashamed" about it. I think you've interpreted it correctly.
- scarmig 14y agoIt's not so weird, either. Ask any high-achieving woman whether she's run into guys who are resentful of her because she's better than them at what they think they do best.
- s_baby 14y ago>Painting men as super villains in some grand 'Dan Brown'ian plot of conspiracy against women will NOT work. It works because it plays into traditional gender roles. You don't have to be a bleeding heart liberal to believe women are the "gentler" sex that needs the protection of society. Just good ol' fashioned chivalry.
- simula67 14y agoYou are missing the point. Is this a solution? Does this not reinforce the gender stereotype? Are we not trained to compete or cooperate with our equals and take care of the weak an helpless?
- s_baby 14y agoI mean it works rhetorically. I don't agree with the level of victimhood Women's Studies imparts. It's dis-empowering and leads to bitterness.
- bct 14y ago> Painting men as super villains in some grand 'Dan Brown'ian plot of conspiracy against women will NOT work. Nobody believes this! There's no conspiracy at work. But there is is a long history of gender-based discrimination, and cultural practices that still reinforce suffocating gender roles today. The ideas you complain about - "men are expected to be taking care of women, women should be trading up etc." - are part of that.