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For people in agreement with Vivaldi, how are you summarizing articles today? I often find content that's not important but also too verbose, and having an LLM
by cglong 2y ago
For people in agreement with Vivaldi, how are you summarizing articles today? I often find content that's not important but also too verbose, and having an LLM summarize it for me is perfect.
Right now, I'm doing this very manually, but am actually thinking of switching my browser just to have this capability baked in.
EDIT: Since everyone is asking why and how I use summaries, here's an example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40881021 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40881021
- psini 2y agoCall me old-fashioned but I read the article top to bottom :^)
- PhilipRoman 2y ago>content that's not important I just don't read it in the first place.
- LM358 2y ago>For people in agreement with Vivaldi, how are you summarizing articles today? I fucking read, like absolutely everyone and their dog did two years ago before this pest stole everyone's attention.
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- pverghese 2y agoWith summarization, you still read, but have to read less. These days a lot of articles have a lot of verbose content, just to keep a person on the page for a long time. Reminds me of students writing essays just to get to a word or page count.
- philipwhiuk 2y ago> With summarization, you still read, but have to read less. Sure, and 10% of the time you get something that's lies which you don't get from actual reading.
- sussmannbaka 2y agoThese articles provide a better summary than the LLM ever could: they are not worth reading in the first place.
- Ukv 2y agoFor fictional/narrative content, sure; reading the Cliff notes version is missing out on the full experience. But for a lot of non-fiction content, I think it's perfectly legitimate and common to have some specific piece of information you're looking to extract, or want a rundown of key highlights. For both, I'd say it could also help in choosing which content to read. Books already typically have a form of summary on the back. If you're researching something, you're going to have to determine which articles are relevant before reading every article top to bottom - and a summary seems helpful for that.
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- KoolKat23 2y agoTo be fair most people don't read it, they read the headline and move on, the oft heavily editorialized clickbait headline. At least there's some semblance of neutrality, on the assumption that the article is correct and the LLM correctly summarizes it.
- lionkor 2y agoWhat kind of articles are you reading where this is useful? I either read articles that are 1) fun to read and silly, or 2) fun to read and informative. If they're not fun to read, it's unlikely that the content is any good. Good educators often know how to write in an engaging way. If the content is difficult to read, or super lengthy, it's probably shit content. How do you judge quality of the information you're given when you have it summarized? How do you make sure the LLM didn't misunderstand something, like sarcasm, or a quote, etc.?
- cglong 2y agoHere's the most recent article I summarized: https://daringfireball.net/2024/06/wwdc24_apple_intelligence https://daringfireball.net/2024/06/wwdc24_apple_intelligence Gruber has always been loquacious, but this one seemed excessive to me. Still, I was curious for his overall impressions on Apple Intelligence. The summary sounded interesting to me, so I then dedicated time to read the source. To your credit, ChatGPT's summary was much more critical than the actual article.
- lionkor 2y agofair, thank you!
- comex 2y agoIf I don’t feel like reading the whole article then I skim it.
- monsieurbanana 2y agoThat's what most people do I imagine, me included, but we might have to adapt. If more and content out there is just a bit of information padded with unholy amounts of LLM lorem lipsum, there won't be a choice.
- netmare 2y agoYou are using LLMs to summarize bloated articles probably generated by LLMs. Maybe stop paying attention to such "articles" and cut the middleman?
- gherkinnn 2y agocmd+w for rubbish articles and I read the good ones in full because I enjoy the prose.
- pprotas 2y agoThe way you ask that question implies that an article summary is some kind of necessity. What happened to just... reading the article? Most of the time, I don't want a summary of an article. If the article is really good and I want to know the most important details, then I should read the article. Maybe I can write a summary myself, so that I can use it for future reference. If an article is bad, then why would I care about a summary? I wouldn't read it either way. There is a a possibility that an article is actually really good, but it's badly written, or way too verbose, or I don't understand the language/terminology/topic. In these cases, a simpler summary written by someone else (or an LLM, I guess...) would be useful. Domain-specific articles or scientific papers would fall into this category for me. Even for this subset of articles, if I don't really understand the topic being discussed, would a summary really give me any benefits? I still don't understand the topic well enough for it to be useful to me. I would get more out of actually trying to read the article and studying the material being discussed.
- cglong 2y agoHow do you know if an article is good or not? You have to waste your time reading at least some of it. I've found it useful to have ChatGPT generate a summary, then if the summary sounds interesting, then I read it.
- agshcxv 2y agoThere are heuristics developed over time for determining if an article is worth it. Far harder to tell whether ChatGPT is just making things up (it does all the time).
- MrVandemar 2y agoPretty easy. Is the headline/topic interesting? Read the introduction. That's interesting? Read the next paragraph. Losing interest? Skim a few para's, pick out interesting headings, illustrations or keywords or skip to the end and see what the conclusion is. This is active reading, not some robo-moron digesting an article, shitting it out and then spoon-feeding the contents of the toilet-bowl back to you.
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> how are you summarizing articles today? I often find content that's not important but also too verbose Then why are you reading it? You’re conditioning yourself to have a mental corpus of uninteresting, unimportant drivel. At best, that’s a waste of time.
- Mistletoe 2y agoI just skim the article if I need a summary.
- fileeditview 2y agoOne solution to this problem is to just consume less articles. Just only pick what seems really interesting to you. Will you miss some cool stuff? Yes Will you still encounter time wasters? Yes We are consuming too much and not doing enough productively ourselves.
- rkwz 2y agoIf you have Mac and Ollama, you can use AppleScript to add summarization to any application - https://www.sheshbabu.com/posts/system-wide-text-summarization-using-ollama-and-applescript/ https://www.sheshbabu.com/posts/system-wide-text-summarizati...
- cglong 2y agoThank you for actually answering my question :)
- wildpeaks 2y agoBy choosing data sources that respect its readers, the same way I pick lean code architectures rather than pile on more and more layers that require additional tools to deal with the bloat.
- postexitus 2y agoSkim read, like normal people?
- rsynnott 2y agoI mean, I simply don't read poorly-written needlessly-long articles. This is an option!