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Was using Vivaldi on Android, quite a solid browser. Unfortunately, the lack of AI functionality has made Edge a more attractive browser. Very useful to let AI

Was using Vivaldi on Android, quite a solid browser. Unfortunately, the lack of AI functionality has made Edge a more attractive browser. Very useful to let AI summarise a large wall of text when browsing Hacker News for example. If only they'd add a 'close all tabs but this one' feature.

LM358 2y ago
>If only they'd add a 'close all tabs but this one' feature. ??? Right click tab -> O ? Edit: oh, you're talking about Edge, not Vivaldi
- benbristow 2y ago
  On Android
timeon 2y ago
Seems strange that people were damning algorithmic social media walls but are now welcoming preprocessed reality.
- benbristow 2y ago
  It's different though, isn't it? Social media walls are the social media sites giving you what they want to show you. AI tools are (mostly) you asking for what you want - albeit you're at the mercy of whatever the AI gives you back, but usually it's what you ask for.
  - timeon 2y ago
    You have point but still, it is modified reality.
    - terhechte 2y ago
      All reality is constructed, has been since the invention of media
      - wasteduniverse 2y ago
        [dead]
    - vidarh 2y ago
      Reality is "modified reality". There's no reliable way for you to get an unfiltered view of anything. This has been one of the large issues of philosophy since pretty much forever.
  - philipwhiuk 2y ago
    > AI tools are (mostly) you asking for what you want - albeit you're at the mercy of whatever the AI gives you back, but usually it's what you ask for. For now.
- _xivi 2y ago
  > Seems strange that people were damning algorithmic social media walls but are now welcoming preprocessed reality. Are they the same people? The vast majority of users are consumers, they don't even think about these stuff, they only complain when the product degrade. I don't see the privacy crowd who were conscious about their data and algorithmic feeds, are treating commercial LLMs products differently.
KronisLV 2y ago
> Unfortunately, the lack of AI functionality has made Edge a more attractive browser. To be perfectly honest, it’s a good browser. Being able to explain console errors with a click and them adding some resource limit functionality (like Opera GX) are all welcome. I even tried it on my MacBook and it works without issues. I did go back to Firefox later though since I prefer those DevTools otherwise and because a recent update no longer makes Firefox fail to do DNS through my VPN.
nunez 2y ago
> Very useful to let AI summarise a large wall of text when browsing Hacker News for example This right here is why I'm against LLMs big time. Walls of text are long for a reason. Yes, many of them might have filler. But sometimes there is nuance in the filler that a summarizer will happily throw away. I don't want long form to be Instagrammified --- condensed into a ten-second paragraphs with 40% of the details that perfectly fits an endless consumption model that's perfect for advertising.
- warunsl 2y ago
  I think the user has to mentally tune out the bad websites that significantly use fillers -- most "news" sites. AI summary is definitely time saved for such websites. Well written articles deserve to be long form and not summarized as you note. But the large majority of web articles belong to the former category.

LM358 2y ago

>If only they'd add a 'close all tabs but this one' feature. ??? Right click tab -> O ? Edit: oh, you're talking about Edge, not Vivaldi

benbristow 2y ago
On Android

timeon 2y ago

Seems strange that people were damning algorithmic social media walls but are now welcoming preprocessed reality.

benbristow 2y ago
It's different though, isn't it? Social media walls are the social media sites giving you what they want to show you. AI tools are (mostly) you asking for what you want - albeit you're at the mercy of whatever the AI gives you back, but usually it's what you ask for.
- timeon 2y ago
  You have point but still, it is modified reality.
  - terhechte 2y ago
    All reality is constructed, has been since the invention of media
    - wasteduniverse 2y ago
      [dead]
  - vidarh 2y ago
    Reality is "modified reality". There's no reliable way for you to get an unfiltered view of anything. This has been one of the large issues of philosophy since pretty much forever.
- philipwhiuk 2y ago
  > AI tools are (mostly) you asking for what you want - albeit you're at the mercy of whatever the AI gives you back, but usually it's what you ask for. For now.
_xivi 2y ago
> Seems strange that people were damning algorithmic social media walls but are now welcoming preprocessed reality. Are they the same people? The vast majority of users are consumers, they don't even think about these stuff, they only complain when the product degrade. I don't see the privacy crowd who were conscious about their data and algorithmic feeds, are treating commercial LLMs products differently.

KronisLV 2y ago

> Unfortunately, the lack of AI functionality has made Edge a more attractive browser. To be perfectly honest, it’s a good browser. Being able to explain console errors with a click and them adding some resource limit functionality (like Opera GX) are all welcome. I even tried it on my MacBook and it works without issues. I did go back to Firefox later though since I prefer those DevTools otherwise and because a recent update no longer makes Firefox fail to do DNS through my VPN.

nunez 2y ago

> Very useful to let AI summarise a large wall of text when browsing Hacker News for example This right here is why I'm against LLMs big time. Walls of text are long for a reason. Yes, many of them might have filler. But sometimes there is nuance in the filler that a summarizer will happily throw away. I don't want long form to be Instagrammified --- condensed into a ten-second paragraphs with 40% of the details that perfectly fits an endless consumption model that's perfect for advertising.

warunsl 2y ago
I think the user has to mentally tune out the bad websites that significantly use fillers -- most "news" sites. AI summary is definitely time saved for such websites. Well written articles deserve to be long form and not summarized as you note. But the large majority of web articles belong to the former category.