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There are many sources saying that BD-R discs should last decades if not a 100 years. One of the main reasons why BD M-Discs never took off was the fact that th

There are many sources saying that BD-R discs should last decades if not a 100 years. One of the main reasons why BD M-Discs never took off was the fact that they didn't offer any substantial advantages over regular BD-Rs.

tmountain 2y ago
Curious why the media is more durable than CD-Rs which are known to degrade after 5-10 years (give or take).
- nutrie 2y ago
  I have CD-Rs more than twice as old that work just fine. Would I place my bet on it? No. But it's not set in stone.
- kalleboo 2y ago
  It depends on the dye used. Older CD-Rs had a really bad dye formulation. Better formulations were created but most of us just bought blank disks based on what was cheapest not what dye was used. Even the newer ones will still degrade quite rapidly in direct sunlight, so the method of storage is also important (spindles in your bookcase that get hit by sunlight = bad). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R#Dyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R#Dyes FWIW I archived all my CD-Rs and DVD-Rs when the oldest ones were just about 15 years old and aside from one ultra-cheap disc where the top was literally flaking off they all read fine in ddrescue.
  - gambiting 2y ago
    I was part of an effort at my last job to archive some of the source code for our oldest projects(from the 90s), they were all on CDs stored in a vault with an external storage company, we retrieved the boxes and found that 1 in 5 discs didn't read at all. The blue verbatim discs had a 100% success rate, but any disc with that green hue underside was a toss up whether it would read or not. Interestingly though, over hundreds of discs I found that either the disc read and would rip correctly all the way, or it wouldn't work at all in the first place.
- vel0city 2y ago
  Practically all the CD-Rs I burned on good media have lasted over 20 years now. Only a few have had noticeable issues of the ones sold as "archive-quality" media. Sure, almost all my cheap ones have died out, but even some of those are still pretty OK.
thomassmith65 2y ago
I also hope to last decades, so to me there is a world of difference between media that lasts 30 or 40 years, and media that lasts 100 or 200 years. For better or worse, as long as we both avoid accidents, an M-disc will outlast me.
- gambiting 2y ago
  From my research into it some time ago - BDXL quad layer(128GB) BD-Rs are made basically in the same technology as M-Disc, so they should last hundreds of years, so that's all I've been using for my archival needs so far. Getting them from Amazon japan is pretty cost effective too.

tmountain 2y ago

Curious why the media is more durable than CD-Rs which are known to degrade after 5-10 years (give or take).

nutrie 2y ago
I have CD-Rs more than twice as old that work just fine. Would I place my bet on it? No. But it's not set in stone.
kalleboo 2y ago
It depends on the dye used. Older CD-Rs had a really bad dye formulation. Better formulations were created but most of us just bought blank disks based on what was cheapest not what dye was used. Even the newer ones will still degrade quite rapidly in direct sunlight, so the method of storage is also important (spindles in your bookcase that get hit by sunlight = bad). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R#Dyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R#Dyes FWIW I archived all my CD-Rs and DVD-Rs when the oldest ones were just about 15 years old and aside from one ultra-cheap disc where the top was literally flaking off they all read fine in ddrescue.
- gambiting 2y ago
  I was part of an effort at my last job to archive some of the source code for our oldest projects(from the 90s), they were all on CDs stored in a vault with an external storage company, we retrieved the boxes and found that 1 in 5 discs didn't read at all. The blue verbatim discs had a 100% success rate, but any disc with that green hue underside was a toss up whether it would read or not. Interestingly though, over hundreds of discs I found that either the disc read and would rip correctly all the way, or it wouldn't work at all in the first place.
vel0city 2y ago
Practically all the CD-Rs I burned on good media have lasted over 20 years now. Only a few have had noticeable issues of the ones sold as "archive-quality" media. Sure, almost all my cheap ones have died out, but even some of those are still pretty OK.

thomassmith65 2y ago

I also hope to last decades, so to me there is a world of difference between media that lasts 30 or 40 years, and media that lasts 100 or 200 years. For better or worse, as long as we both avoid accidents, an M-disc will outlast me.

gambiting 2y ago
From my research into it some time ago - BDXL quad layer(128GB) BD-Rs are made basically in the same technology as M-Disc, so they should last hundreds of years, so that's all I've been using for my archival needs so far. Getting them from Amazon japan is pretty cost effective too.