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I can't imagine doing this: DVDs look SO awful on modern displays that it's just not worth watching them. Besides, you can get super-high-quality copies elsewh

I can't imagine doing this: DVDs look SO awful on modern displays that it's just not worth watching them. Besides, you can get super-high-quality copies elsewhere if you want your own copy of something. Of course, then you have to worry about storing it long-term, using various backup and archival strategies.

theshrike79 2y ago
If the option is not watching at all vs DVD, you still kinda need to pick the DVD. There are many worthwile movies you can't find anywhere (legally) unless you own the DVD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_(film)#Rights_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_(film)#Rights_issues And then there are the ye olde Criterion Collection DVDs with exclusive extras like commentary tracks that can't be reprinted because of licensing issues.
- mikae1 2y ago
  > you still kinda need to pick the DVD. Or the high seas...
  - theshrike79 2y ago
    On some cases it may or may not be easier and faster to hit the high seas instead of bothering with ripping :)
upon_drumhead 2y ago
Not every HD redo is better. https://youtu.be/oZWNGq70Oyo https://youtu.be/oZWNGq70Oyo And honestly a ton of why dvds look so terrible is people forgot about deinterlacing. Toggle it on and things look a lot better.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  It's not just the interlacing, the main problem is the terrible resolution. Upscaling can only do so much; it's not going to make 480p video look decent on a 75" 4k screen. As for HD redos, for movies this isn't an issue: they were all made on 35mm (or 70mm) film. Yeah, for some old 80s-90s show that was tragically shot on videotape, it's going to look like shit no matter what, so you're just stuck with that unfortunately.
  - dawnerd 2y ago
    It is an issue for movies. There’s been plenty of “HD” Blu-ray releases that just used the dvd master and upscaled it.
    - shiroiushi 2y ago
      Really? Any well-known examples? Why would they do such a thing, unless they either 1. don't have the original film any more or 2. are just being cheap?
      - dawnerd 2y ago
        There was a list floating around but its been a long time. Now days its very common to have fake 4k masters. https://www.digiraw.com/DVD-4K-Bluray-ripping-service/4K-UHD-ripping-service/the-real-or-fake-4K-list/ https://www.digiraw.com/DVD-4K-Bluray-ripping-service/4K-UHD... I don't think anyone upscaled a dvd recently for release on BR though, was mainly an issue right around when BR came out in the rush to get content out. Same with UHDs, today it shouldn't be as much of an issue.
  - lloeki 2y ago
    > As for HD redos, for movies this isn't an issue: they were all made on 35mm (or 70mm) film Doesn't matter when they remaster it to be way too dark or screw up with colours and tone mapping to give it a "more modern" tint. Some are also re-cut from original aspect ratios (whether 4:3 or CinemaScope) to be equal or closer to 16:9. e.g The Wire on DVD is 4:3 (as originally shot) and has been re-framed to 16:9 on BD. They did a a seriously good job at it but it really changes the impact and/or mood of some key scenes. And that's when it goes well. On the other end of the spectrum I've seen 2.55:1 movies butchered into some lazy [anything-between 1.77 and 2]:1 crop + autopan conversion "remaster". Those are 1080p alright and not upscales but are a totally shoddy cash-grab job.
  - kalleboo 2y ago
    > As for HD redos, for movies this isn't an issue The movie studios still manage to mess it up, changing the colors/contrast and using terrible AI de-noising that wipes out actual details https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkNFZkUHeKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkNFZkUHeKQ
prmoustache 2y ago
That is why I am using a beamer. I may lose in outright resolution, but not in viewing experience.
- eru 2y ago
  I think they are called projectors in English?
  - dx034 2y ago
    Too bad 4k projectors are still so expensive. I bought my 1080p projector 8 years ago and it seems like not that much has changed since then when it comes to prices. 4k projectors are still much more expensive than comparable TVs.
  - prmoustache 2y ago
    Possibly, I think I have seen both terms used. Mine is a 1080p model. I have seen 4K TVs at friends houses but I can't say I miss it. Somehow the when you watch some old non HD it still looks good when projected on a wall. Sure it is not highres but the image seems smoothen the image instead of having a pixelated or badly upscaled result. For example these last few months I have been watching a lot the ER TV show and I wasn't the least annoyed by the lower res.
    - shiroiushi 2y ago
      Isn't ER from the 90s? Most TV at that time was shot on videotape, not film, so there's no way to get an HD version of it, so if this is the case, you're seeing it in the best possible rendition already. Going through a projector probably helps actually, by making things smoother than they would be with upscaling on a 4k-res TV. If you want to see what a modern 4K TV can really do, you have to watch it with something new, shot in 4K, perhaps in HDR if the TV can render that (this works best if the TV is OLED; LCD TVs don't have the brightness to really show HDR properly). Watching the same media on your 1080p projector should look noticeably worse than your friend's 75" OLED set.
vagrantGato 2y ago
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hi-v-rocknroll 2y ago
You're making an assimilation fallacy and falling to grasp the technical reasons such as proper deinterlacing, frame rate matching, ineffective motion compression, and generally poor upscaling techniques. If you decrypt and grab the pristine content of a 4:3 or 16:9 DVD, then process it properly through Handbrake or such, it will look fine. I did this purposely for a couple of rare old movies because the VHS and streaming copies looked terrible. The DVD versions in various regions are much, much better and came out as playable artifacts I can put on an 4K or 8K output device. They look cleaner than when I play these than with a DVD player because of the extra computational effort that went into the filtering during the transcoding process.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  For movies that simply aren't available in Blu-Ray and the latest, best version of them is on DVD, that all sounds great of course. But if it's a more-common movie that came out on Blu-Ray, you can probably get a rip of that online quite easily. Also, the parent seemed to be talking about simply popping a DVD into a drive and watching that directly. What you're talking about sounds very interesting, but also a fair amount of work and compute time. I've never used Handbrake, but I would assume the ripping and transcoding process would take a fair amount of time.

theshrike79 2y ago

If the option is not watching at all vs DVD, you still kinda need to pick the DVD. There are many worthwile movies you can't find anywhere (legally) unless you own the DVD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_(film)#Rights_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_(film)#Rights_issues And then there are the ye olde Criterion Collection DVDs with exclusive extras like commentary tracks that can't be reprinted because of licensing issues.

mikae1 2y ago
> you still kinda need to pick the DVD. Or the high seas...
- theshrike79 2y ago
  On some cases it may or may not be easier and faster to hit the high seas instead of bothering with ripping :)

upon_drumhead 2y ago

Not every HD redo is better. https://youtu.be/oZWNGq70Oyo https://youtu.be/oZWNGq70Oyo And honestly a ton of why dvds look so terrible is people forgot about deinterlacing. Toggle it on and things look a lot better.

shiroiushi 2y ago
It's not just the interlacing, the main problem is the terrible resolution. Upscaling can only do so much; it's not going to make 480p video look decent on a 75" 4k screen. As for HD redos, for movies this isn't an issue: they were all made on 35mm (or 70mm) film. Yeah, for some old 80s-90s show that was tragically shot on videotape, it's going to look like shit no matter what, so you're just stuck with that unfortunately.
- dawnerd 2y ago
  It is an issue for movies. There’s been plenty of “HD” Blu-ray releases that just used the dvd master and upscaled it.
  - shiroiushi 2y ago
    Really? Any well-known examples? Why would they do such a thing, unless they either 1. don't have the original film any more or 2. are just being cheap?
    - dawnerd 2y ago
      There was a list floating around but its been a long time. Now days its very common to have fake 4k masters. https://www.digiraw.com/DVD-4K-Bluray-ripping-service/4K-UHD-ripping-service/the-real-or-fake-4K-list/ https://www.digiraw.com/DVD-4K-Bluray-ripping-service/4K-UHD... I don't think anyone upscaled a dvd recently for release on BR though, was mainly an issue right around when BR came out in the rush to get content out. Same with UHDs, today it shouldn't be as much of an issue.
- lloeki 2y ago
  > As for HD redos, for movies this isn't an issue: they were all made on 35mm (or 70mm) film Doesn't matter when they remaster it to be way too dark or screw up with colours and tone mapping to give it a "more modern" tint. Some are also re-cut from original aspect ratios (whether 4:3 or CinemaScope) to be equal or closer to 16:9. e.g The Wire on DVD is 4:3 (as originally shot) and has been re-framed to 16:9 on BD. They did a a seriously good job at it but it really changes the impact and/or mood of some key scenes. And that's when it goes well. On the other end of the spectrum I've seen 2.55:1 movies butchered into some lazy [anything-between 1.77 and 2]:1 crop + autopan conversion "remaster". Those are 1080p alright and not upscales but are a totally shoddy cash-grab job.
- kalleboo 2y ago
  > As for HD redos, for movies this isn't an issue The movie studios still manage to mess it up, changing the colors/contrast and using terrible AI de-noising that wipes out actual details https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkNFZkUHeKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkNFZkUHeKQ

prmoustache 2y ago

That is why I am using a beamer. I may lose in outright resolution, but not in viewing experience.

eru 2y ago
I think they are called projectors in English?
- dx034 2y ago
  Too bad 4k projectors are still so expensive. I bought my 1080p projector 8 years ago and it seems like not that much has changed since then when it comes to prices. 4k projectors are still much more expensive than comparable TVs.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  Possibly, I think I have seen both terms used. Mine is a 1080p model. I have seen 4K TVs at friends houses but I can't say I miss it. Somehow the when you watch some old non HD it still looks good when projected on a wall. Sure it is not highres but the image seems smoothen the image instead of having a pixelated or badly upscaled result. For example these last few months I have been watching a lot the ER TV show and I wasn't the least annoyed by the lower res.
  - shiroiushi 2y ago
    Isn't ER from the 90s? Most TV at that time was shot on videotape, not film, so there's no way to get an HD version of it, so if this is the case, you're seeing it in the best possible rendition already. Going through a projector probably helps actually, by making things smoother than they would be with upscaling on a 4k-res TV. If you want to see what a modern 4K TV can really do, you have to watch it with something new, shot in 4K, perhaps in HDR if the TV can render that (this works best if the TV is OLED; LCD TVs don't have the brightness to really show HDR properly). Watching the same media on your 1080p projector should look noticeably worse than your friend's 75" OLED set.

vagrantGato 2y ago

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hi-v-rocknroll 2y ago

You're making an assimilation fallacy and falling to grasp the technical reasons such as proper deinterlacing, frame rate matching, ineffective motion compression, and generally poor upscaling techniques. If you decrypt and grab the pristine content of a 4:3 or 16:9 DVD, then process it properly through Handbrake or such, it will look fine. I did this purposely for a couple of rare old movies because the VHS and streaming copies looked terrible. The DVD versions in various regions are much, much better and came out as playable artifacts I can put on an 4K or 8K output device. They look cleaner than when I play these than with a DVD player because of the extra computational effort that went into the filtering during the transcoding process.

shiroiushi 2y ago
For movies that simply aren't available in Blu-Ray and the latest, best version of them is on DVD, that all sounds great of course. But if it's a more-common movie that came out on Blu-Ray, you can probably get a rip of that online quite easily. Also, the parent seemed to be talking about simply popping a DVD into a drive and watching that directly. What you're talking about sounds very interesting, but also a fair amount of work and compute time. I've never used Handbrake, but I would assume the ripping and transcoding process would take a fair amount of time.