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That's why we do not see more women involved with software, and I am not talking about Dave. I am talking about both, the writer and Dave. Why do you think mo
by hk_kh 14y ago
That's why we do not see more women involved with software, and I am not talking about Dave.
I am talking about both, the writer and Dave.
Why do you think most women stick to managing projects instead of being involved in Free Software?
Too much drama. Too much shit to cope with, that involves dicks and egos.
In the article we assume that Dave was a jerk (and it probably was). But, see, the author was in a comfortable position, when suddenly another man entered the room, and started to go alpha and everything turned into an ego battle.
- WayneDB 14y agoSo, are you saying that women can't or aren't willing to deal with drama or cope with shit that involves dicks and egos? Where there's muck, there's brass. Are you saying that women have no brass?
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- hk_kh 14y agoI am saying that women are willing to deal with drama, ego and dicks when there's a motivation to cope with it. As I see the current status of gender equality in tech, women working on a tech job are protected by their social status. A female "junior" programmer could easily be harmed by "women do not know how to code", but with time and patience, they can go forward into the company hierarchy, and end in a position where their status protects such opinions. In the free software world, it's more difficult to move forward in the hierarchy of a project, hence, time and patience gets consumed. Now, take this with a grain of salt, because there's a big possibility I am wrong and just resorting to topics here.
- NotMyMorals 14y agoWasn't the term "computer" at one time used to describe usually female mathematicians who worked in all female groups at DoD? Perhaps the problem isn't women, and it isn't men, but instead the urge to force them together and then demand they suppress their natural gender differences? Based on experience I would guess having gender segregated groups of technical workers could be quite productive. But anyone trying would immediately be hit by lawsuits from the discrimination lawyers. Too much drama. Too much shit to cope with, that involves dicks and egos. Absolutely, and from the other side, forcing a man into a mostly female group is going to drive him crazy with what he perceives to be the petty female group dynamics.
- hk_kh 14y agoCompletely agreed. People often forget that some gender differences are what make each gender powerful. Gender equality should not be about expecting the same features in both genders, but about having the same rights.
- rogerbraun 14y agoRight. They should be separate but equal.
- NotMyMorals 14y agoThey should be separate but equal. The horror - they even have segregated bathrooms!
- rogerbraun 14y agoThis is actually something I think will go away once we manage to overcome sexism in society. There is really no reason for it at all.
- NotMyMorals 14y agoThis is actually something I think will go away once we manage to overcome sexism in society. There is really no reason for it at all. My subjective impression of you and your "anti-sexism" is that you are an ideological fanatic. Fortunately, it's not likely that you and your kind will ever "overcome sexism in society" and it's likely that public restrooms will remain segregated by gender. Your understanding of the differences between the sexes seems based more on ideological, abstract categories than practical, biologically based considerations, which is often the case with ideological and religious fanaticism. In my opinion, your "anti-sexism" is just rehashed, 20th century cultural Marxism that is fortunately becoming less popular. I hope we can all progress beyond such failed, politically and religiously motivated trends.