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> there is actual legal action that can be pursued in case of violations I suggest you research the Patriot Act and FISA courts and tell me that our government
by hypeatei 2y ago
> there is actual legal action that can be pursued in case of violations
I suggest you research the Patriot Act and FISA courts and tell me that our government is operating in a constitutional matter. Secret courts used to surveil foreign and American citizens.
That isn't to mention the unfettered access to data they have through backdoors and the five eyes alliance.
- threeseed 2y agoPatriot Act and FISA courts have been ruled by the Supreme Court to be constitutional. And the independent judiciary is an integral part of them i.e. they decide if cases can be tried in them.
- hypeatei 2y agoGiven how powerful the three letter agencies are (especially the CIA), I'm not surprised the judiciary branch of the U.S. government agrees its constitutional. The ACLU and many legal professionals think FISA is unconstitutional. There are roadblocks when trying to challenge FISA because of the secrecy, see: https://www.npr.org/2013/02/26/172998760/supreme-court-makes-it-harder-to-challenge-foreign-intelligence-surveillance-act https://www.npr.org/2013/02/26/172998760/supreme-court-makes...
- cowboylowrez 2y agoyeah but I think folks are thinking relatively, for instance, can we in both countries chat about "democratic rule" with the same comfy web tools?
- ffgjgf1 2y agoWhich isn’t necessarily that great when that judicial system is throughly and entirely openly corrupt even at the very top
- wakawaka28 2y agoI didn't say that the government followed the law or even did the right thing always. But in many countries you have absolutely no recourse. In the US you can talk about it, file lawsuits, etc.