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Distance is irrelevant. I lived there. The cultures of DC and Baltimore are fundamentally different. Related, yes. But not the same.

Retric 2y ago
The culture of poor parts of DC is vastly different than the culture of places 2 streets away. Culture is ultra local.
- bradknowles 2y ago
  Culture is fractal, and happens on many different levels. And there are many types of stratifications of culture. And those stratifications can happen in multiple dimensions at the same time. But culture can also refer to a larger conglomeration of smaller cultures, or components of smaller cultures. Just like a meal or dinner from one place can have many different components, and be differently prepared from a meal or dinner of the same overall type from some other place. There are components that may be shared between them, and there might be components that are different. But even if you start out with the exact same components in both places, the end result may be radically different, simply due to the different methods and the different people involved. In the case of DC versus Baltimore, it’s the larger scale differences that I’m talking about.
  - Retric 2y ago
    > In the case of DC versus Baltimore, it’s the larger scale differences that I’m talking about. Those differences aren’t larger in scale than Loudan or Fauquier county vs DC. Simply being different doesn’t on its own mean anything here.
    - bradknowles 2y ago
      I lived there. I traveled all over that area. The Northern Virginia counties are much closer to the culture in DC than the culture in Baltimore.
      - Retric 2y ago
        What parts of DC, Baltimore, and Loudan county did you live in? Culture isn’t easy to find objective measurements but politically things are objectively similar between Baltimore and DC with extremely strong Democratic leanings. 2020 DC voted 5.40% Trump, 92.15% Biden vs Baltimore City 10.69% Trump, 87.28% Biden vs Fauquier County 57% Trump, 40% Biden. DC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_the_District_of_Columbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... VA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Virginia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... MD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Maryland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... Poor parts of DC are much closer to poor parts of Baltimore than the rich areas of Loudan county etc.
        bradknowles 2y ago
        Poor parts of every county or city are going to have more similarities to other poor parts of every other city or county than compared to the rich areas that may be nearby. That is one aspect of the multi-dimensional fractal nature of culture that I mentioned. Poor/rich is just one dimension to be considered. So are political leanings. However, when you consider all the other dimensions, you will find that DC and the surrounding suburbs have more similarities to each other than they do with the corresponding areas in and around Baltimore. Making them up to be the same CSA is just the way that the federal government gets away with paying cheaper wages in the DC area, because they can now lump Baltimore in there, and obviously by that new federal standard, federal wages in the DC area are not out of line with the overall CSA. It’s just a lie that the federal government is telling you. And that they told me, when I lived there.

Retric 2y ago

The culture of poor parts of DC is vastly different than the culture of places 2 streets away. Culture is ultra local.

bradknowles 2y ago
Culture is fractal, and happens on many different levels. And there are many types of stratifications of culture. And those stratifications can happen in multiple dimensions at the same time. But culture can also refer to a larger conglomeration of smaller cultures, or components of smaller cultures. Just like a meal or dinner from one place can have many different components, and be differently prepared from a meal or dinner of the same overall type from some other place. There are components that may be shared between them, and there might be components that are different. But even if you start out with the exact same components in both places, the end result may be radically different, simply due to the different methods and the different people involved. In the case of DC versus Baltimore, it’s the larger scale differences that I’m talking about.
- Retric 2y ago
  > In the case of DC versus Baltimore, it’s the larger scale differences that I’m talking about. Those differences aren’t larger in scale than Loudan or Fauquier county vs DC. Simply being different doesn’t on its own mean anything here.
  - bradknowles 2y ago
    I lived there. I traveled all over that area. The Northern Virginia counties are much closer to the culture in DC than the culture in Baltimore.
    - Retric 2y ago
      What parts of DC, Baltimore, and Loudan county did you live in? Culture isn’t easy to find objective measurements but politically things are objectively similar between Baltimore and DC with extremely strong Democratic leanings. 2020 DC voted 5.40% Trump, 92.15% Biden vs Baltimore City 10.69% Trump, 87.28% Biden vs Fauquier County 57% Trump, 40% Biden. DC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_the_District_of_Columbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... VA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Virginia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... MD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Maryland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... Poor parts of DC are much closer to poor parts of Baltimore than the rich areas of Loudan county etc.
      - bradknowles 2y ago
        Poor parts of every county or city are going to have more similarities to other poor parts of every other city or county than compared to the rich areas that may be nearby. That is one aspect of the multi-dimensional fractal nature of culture that I mentioned. Poor/rich is just one dimension to be considered. So are political leanings. However, when you consider all the other dimensions, you will find that DC and the surrounding suburbs have more similarities to each other than they do with the corresponding areas in and around Baltimore. Making them up to be the same CSA is just the way that the federal government gets away with paying cheaper wages in the DC area, because they can now lump Baltimore in there, and obviously by that new federal standard, federal wages in the DC area are not out of line with the overall CSA. It’s just a lie that the federal government is telling you. And that they told me, when I lived there.