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> Documents released by the agency show up to about 450,000 barred owls would be shot _over three decades_ 15k animals per year doesn't sound like all that muc

> Documents released by the agency show up to about 450,000 barred owls would be shot _over three decades_ 15k animals per year doesn't sound like all that much. I doubt it'll help. The spotted owls live in old growth forest, 90% of which has been torn down for farmland, lumber, and suburban sprawl. What's left is disconnected and vulnerable. Killing off some other owls won't change that.

verdverm 2y ago
> 90% of which has been torn down for... Humans are the primary cause of the 6th great extinction event
- makk 2y ago
  Every time I hear people talking about invasive species I think, “have you looked in the mirror?”
  - lovethevoid 2y ago
    Invasive species also were predominantly (and legislated as such) about how it affected economic (agricultural) growth over any sort of ecosystem effects. It’s why some birds, despite not being harmful to humans, are considered invasive species because they’ll eat crops. It gets turned into a money situation, where their existence now has to be justified through the millions of dollars of “damaged crops”. They then are killed by the hundreds of thousands, and an agenda gets pushed with very little backing evidence to support the demand for their death (like common startling birds “killing other birds”, when there isn’t much supporting research about that). What’s worse, there’s no global organization to tie countries together at least in terms of preservation. So in one country an animal could be considered endangered and in need of saving, and in another is treated as invasive and hunted down (often using brutal poisons from helicopters as it’s easier to spread). Imagine being killed because you and your family are doing better in another continent. It’s quite short term thinking. Thankfully, this “invasive” perspective in science is slowly going out of style. It’s far too rigid to be a meaningful lens to study the world through.

verdverm 2y ago

> 90% of which has been torn down for... Humans are the primary cause of the 6th great extinction event

makk 2y ago
Every time I hear people talking about invasive species I think, “have you looked in the mirror?”
- lovethevoid 2y ago
  Invasive species also were predominantly (and legislated as such) about how it affected economic (agricultural) growth over any sort of ecosystem effects. It’s why some birds, despite not being harmful to humans, are considered invasive species because they’ll eat crops. It gets turned into a money situation, where their existence now has to be justified through the millions of dollars of “damaged crops”. They then are killed by the hundreds of thousands, and an agenda gets pushed with very little backing evidence to support the demand for their death (like common startling birds “killing other birds”, when there isn’t much supporting research about that). What’s worse, there’s no global organization to tie countries together at least in terms of preservation. So in one country an animal could be considered endangered and in need of saving, and in another is treated as invasive and hunted down (often using brutal poisons from helicopters as it’s easier to spread). Imagine being killed because you and your family are doing better in another continent. It’s quite short term thinking. Thankfully, this “invasive” perspective in science is slowly going out of style. It’s far too rigid to be a meaningful lens to study the world through.