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He is a convicted felon; and while he serves his sentence, his constitutional rights can and will be substantially abrogated. This includes his right to vote, a

He is a convicted felon; and while he serves his sentence, his constitutional rights can and will be substantially abrogated. This includes his right to vote, a sex offender’s right to move freely without being on a list, or a corrupt business executive’s right to be a CFO in the future. You have rights unless by your own actions you forfeit them. This has been upheld as constitutional. In some states, depending on your actions, you can even forfeit your right to live (though I get the controversy on that one far more). But on that note, threatening witnesses is always a crime. That is indefensible, and deserves prison no matter who did it. Saying he can’t do that in a parole release is like saying “don’t do crimes.”

McDyver 2y ago
> forfeit your right to live That's a very interesting point of view, I had never thought of it that way: you can do whatever you want, but you will no longer be allowed to live. The consequence is almost presented as a choice, instead of a punishment.
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  If you ever watch The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (it’s in the extended, not sure about the theatrical), there’s a similar concept. https://youtu.be/frJM35gWUFM?feature=shared https://youtu.be/frJM35gWUFM?feature=shared
Cthulhu_ 2y ago
While I agree (restricted rights is a punishment), the US legal system still seems focused on "revenge" vs "rehabilitation"; you mention sex offenders, they are on that list for life even if it was a case of peeing in public. People lose their right to vote. Regardless of whether you call it "rehabilitated" or "paid their debt to society", I don't think people should continue to be punished (e.g. by being on a list) after they've done their time. I'm aware this gets tricky with certain kinds of sex offenders though, who get out of jail and continue their shit; they have paid their debt to society, but they haven't and may never rehabilitate.

McDyver 2y ago

> forfeit your right to live That's a very interesting point of view, I had never thought of it that way: you can do whatever you want, but you will no longer be allowed to live. The consequence is almost presented as a choice, instead of a punishment.

gjsman-1000 2y ago
If you ever watch The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (it’s in the extended, not sure about the theatrical), there’s a similar concept. https://youtu.be/frJM35gWUFM?feature=shared https://youtu.be/frJM35gWUFM?feature=shared

Cthulhu_ 2y ago

While I agree (restricted rights is a punishment), the US legal system still seems focused on "revenge" vs "rehabilitation"; you mention sex offenders, they are on that list for life even if it was a case of peeing in public. People lose their right to vote. Regardless of whether you call it "rehabilitated" or "paid their debt to society", I don't think people should continue to be punished (e.g. by being on a list) after they've done their time. I'm aware this gets tricky with certain kinds of sex offenders though, who get out of jail and continue their shit; they have paid their debt to society, but they haven't and may never rehabilitate.