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Cloud storage isn't a backup any more than RAID 1 is.

danparsonson 2y ago
Of course it is. PC explodes -> download the cloud copy. Not to be relied on by itself, but it absolutely qualifies as a backup.
- remram 2y ago
  Backup solutions usually need to cover more scenarios than "PC explodes". In fact solutions for that are usually called "disaster recovery" instead. A real backup solution ought to cover the case where you deleted the wrong file, and you find out the next day. Or it got corrupted somehow (PCs and disks can explode slowly) and you find out the next time you open it, a week later. If the cloud service happily replicated that change, it can't be used to restore anything.
  - Yodel0914 2y ago
    > A real backup solution ought to cover the case where you deleted the wrong file, and you find out the next day. Or it got corrupted somehow (PCs and disks can explode slowly) and you find out the next time you open it, a week later. If the cloud service happily replicated that change, it can't be used to restore anything. a) my cloud storage has file versioning b) as I mentioned, I have a ~24hr old snapshot as well as a ~30d old snapshot The worst practical case is that I lose a month's data, and I'm fine with that.
    - remram 2y ago
      You're probably fine then! I was replying to the post above, which might not reflect your opinion. Mainly because I've seen it multiple times throughout this comments page... You definitely can make a good backup solution that includes cloud storage, I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
  - danparsonson 2y ago
    Sure, there are different acceptable levels of restoration and backup but a 'backup' by definition is just a spare copy of data made in case the original is lost or damaged. I was only pointing out that a cloud copy is a backup, albeit a fairly weak one and as you say not useful by itself in every eventuality. It's just absolutist to deride cloud storage as "not a backup" as it can absolutely save data that would otherwise be lost.
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Yodel0914 2y ago
Maybe I phrased it badly - I use the minipc to backup cloud storage, not the other way around.

Of course it is. PC explodes -> download the cloud copy. Not to be relied on by itself, but it absolutely qualifies as a backup.

remram 2y ago
Backup solutions usually need to cover more scenarios than "PC explodes". In fact solutions for that are usually called "disaster recovery" instead. A real backup solution ought to cover the case where you deleted the wrong file, and you find out the next day. Or it got corrupted somehow (PCs and disks can explode slowly) and you find out the next time you open it, a week later. If the cloud service happily replicated that change, it can't be used to restore anything.
- Yodel0914 2y ago
  > A real backup solution ought to cover the case where you deleted the wrong file, and you find out the next day. Or it got corrupted somehow (PCs and disks can explode slowly) and you find out the next time you open it, a week later. If the cloud service happily replicated that change, it can't be used to restore anything. a) my cloud storage has file versioning b) as I mentioned, I have a ~24hr old snapshot as well as a ~30d old snapshot The worst practical case is that I lose a month's data, and I'm fine with that.
  - remram 2y ago
    You're probably fine then! I was replying to the post above, which might not reflect your opinion. Mainly because I've seen it multiple times throughout this comments page... You definitely can make a good backup solution that includes cloud storage, I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
- danparsonson 2y ago
  Sure, there are different acceptable levels of restoration and backup but a 'backup' by definition is just a spare copy of data made in case the original is lost or damaged. I was only pointing out that a cloud copy is a backup, albeit a fairly weak one and as you say not useful by itself in every eventuality. It's just absolutist to deride cloud storage as "not a backup" as it can absolutely save data that would otherwise be lost.
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Yodel0914 2y ago

Maybe I phrased it badly - I use the minipc to backup cloud storage, not the other way around.