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>Radical plans to tear EU regulations off Britain’s statute books en masse have already been abandoned. The benefits of buccaneering free trade agreements (FTAs

>Radical plans to tear EU regulations off Britain’s statute books en masse have already been abandoned. The benefits of buccaneering free trade agreements (FTAs) have proved elusive. Britain's public services, far from receiving a promised boost, have in many cases almost stopped working. The number of people moving to Britain from abroad is higher than ever. It’s not what advocates of Leave had in mind. No, but it's what the establishment who wanted nothing to change and Brexit to fail had in mind.

dave4420 2y ago
Of the three Prime Ministers we’ve had since leaving the EU, two had campaigned for Brexit. (The other was outlasted by a lettuce.) If Conservative Prime Ministers aren’t part of the establishment, who is?
- benwad 2y ago
  We've had four: May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    May was prior to leaving the EU; even if you accept that it left in 2020 (it formally left in Jan 2020, but realistically was still part of the EU for the remainder of the year), she was already gone.
- coldtea 2y ago
  >two had campaigned for Brexit They used it as a marketing trick and got stuck with it when the vote came in. Didn't plan to implement the changes people wanted it for, and didn't.
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  Has anyone outlasted a Doritos bag?
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rsynnott 2y ago
... Eh? Is this the new line now? Brexit was a disaster not because it was an extremely silly idea, but rather due to saboteurs? I mean, I suppose you can tell yourself that if you want, but...
- mjburgess 2y ago
  That was the narrative only weeks after the vote. In realising nothing could be delivered, the saboteur story was invented to shift blame on to some Others. Scapegoating is a story as old as time.
  - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
    On the brightside, this narrative probably contributes to the potential death of the Conservative party today as a plurality of brexit voters are projected to abandon them for Reform. Recent tweet from them: > YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU: Only one party can save Britain from the corrupt establishment. > Today, vote with your HEART and vote for what you TRULY believe in.
    - jfengel 2y ago
      I find it remarkable that, if it really is an existential crisis, it'll be because the Lib Dems outnumber them. Just a decade ago it was a terrible alliance with the Lib Dems that put the Tories in power in the first place, setting up Brexit. All they got in exchange was a failed referendum on alternative voting. They proceeded to get crushed and almost vanished. But here they are, potentially taking over from the Tories. There's some nine dimensional chess for you.
      - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
        > All they got in exchange was a failed referendum on alternative voting Which was sabotaged by the Tories reneging on promises they made to the Lib-dems, and the campaign against it led by Dominic Cummings, using the same "lets spend the money on the NHS instead" lie that he re-used for brexit. The irony that passing this would have potentially saved them from destruction at the hands of Reform UK (and indeed avoided Brexit altogether) is an added delicous irony.

dave4420 2y ago

Of the three Prime Ministers we’ve had since leaving the EU, two had campaigned for Brexit. (The other was outlasted by a lettuce.) If Conservative Prime Ministers aren’t part of the establishment, who is?

benwad 2y ago
We've had four: May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  May was prior to leaving the EU; even if you accept that it left in 2020 (it formally left in Jan 2020, but realistically was still part of the EU for the remainder of the year), she was already gone.
coldtea 2y ago
>two had campaigned for Brexit They used it as a marketing trick and got stuck with it when the vote came in. Didn't plan to implement the changes people wanted it for, and didn't.
mensetmanusman 2y ago
Has anyone outlasted a Doritos bag?

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rsynnott 2y ago

... Eh? Is this the new line now? Brexit was a disaster not because it was an extremely silly idea, but rather due to saboteurs? I mean, I suppose you can tell yourself that if you want, but...

mjburgess 2y ago
That was the narrative only weeks after the vote. In realising nothing could be delivered, the saboteur story was invented to shift blame on to some Others. Scapegoating is a story as old as time.
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  On the brightside, this narrative probably contributes to the potential death of the Conservative party today as a plurality of brexit voters are projected to abandon them for Reform. Recent tweet from them: > YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU: Only one party can save Britain from the corrupt establishment. > Today, vote with your HEART and vote for what you TRULY believe in.
  - jfengel 2y ago
    I find it remarkable that, if it really is an existential crisis, it'll be because the Lib Dems outnumber them. Just a decade ago it was a terrible alliance with the Lib Dems that put the Tories in power in the first place, setting up Brexit. All they got in exchange was a failed referendum on alternative voting. They proceeded to get crushed and almost vanished. But here they are, potentially taking over from the Tories. There's some nine dimensional chess for you.
    - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
      > All they got in exchange was a failed referendum on alternative voting Which was sabotaged by the Tories reneging on promises they made to the Lib-dems, and the campaign against it led by Dominic Cummings, using the same "lets spend the money on the NHS instead" lie that he re-used for brexit. The irony that passing this would have potentially saved them from destruction at the hands of Reform UK (and indeed avoided Brexit altogether) is an added delicous irony.