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> It was wild; still I don't understand why I would feel responsible for any of these events in history. > Great for them, but as a Russian I saw nothing usefu

by mopsi 2y ago

> It was wild; still I don't understand why I would feel responsible for any of these events in history. > Great for them, but as a Russian I saw nothing useful coming from it my way. So why would I care. > After several deadly Ukraine's attacks against civilian targets in Russia, I grew tolerance to Ukrainian losses Excellent example of Russian mentality on full display. Don't understand, don't care, don't feel responsible. This is how you differ from Germans. They have faced their past and developed a deeply internalized sense of duty not to repeat the past mistakes. They are a key contributor to the European Union, a major platform for peaceful cooperation in Europe and beyond. Despite long and violent history, they have mended relations with France and Poland and many others who have seen Germans as enemies for centuries. Since the 1960s, Germans have pursued the policy of Wandel durch Handel, hoping to bring positive change through mutually beneficial trade, including with Russia. They have provided aid and investments in billions and billions, and if anything has not reached you, then that's because Putin chose to spend the money earned through trade on missiles killing people in Ukraine instead of building better schools in Russia. Your attitude towards the victims of the latest war is particularly vile. The only reason why anyone is dying, including Russian civilians caught in the crossfire, is because Russia started the war for which people like you keep inventing excuses out of imperialistic delusions and entitlement. This is especially revealing: > Just don't expect us to cede any lands we paid in blood. We used to be that stupid, but I hope not anymore. You "pay in blood" only because you invaded another country, murdered and continue to murder people defending their homes and loved ones as you try to steal their property. There is nothing smart about thievery and murder. Germans are smart. They found a way to have a influence on the world without all that. You will continue to pay in blood until you leave Ukraine alone because that is fair and just.

thriftwy 2y ago
> They are a key contributor to the European Union, a major platform for peaceful cooperation Since it excludes Russia from the day one I also care very little, and for me that's a liability not a virtue. > The only reason why anyone is dying, including Russian civilians caught in the crossfire, is because Russia started the war Again, that's only your opinion with which I disagree. There's Crimea and LPR/DPR and Ukraine has started a civil war against LPR/DPR. They should've thought twice about that. > you invaded another country, murdered and continue to murder people defending their homes They should go to Putin and sign some ceasefire or peace treaty with him if they don't like it. Why come to me. I am not Putin and I didn't even vote for him.
- racional 2y ago
  They should go to Putin and sign some ceasefire or peace treaty with him if they don't like it. Why come to me. I am not Putin and I didn't even vote for him. And yet - when someone corners you on the internet you run to stand behind him, like a big papa. So in that sense, you very much are "voting" for him.
  - thriftwy 2y ago
    The emphasis here is not on Putin but on the negotiations. If you refuse to negotiate, you will get killed. Even if Putin is replaced tomorrow with Mutin or Agutin, it's not like you can skip the negotiations stage. It was stupid for Ukraine to skip negotiations in 2014, it was stupid for them doing three coup attempts in 15 years, but it was also stupid for Putin to do what he did in 2022. That's past now, though, that is immutable, and the future can only be fixed by negotiations.
    - racional 2y ago
      Mutin/Agutin Whoever the Russian deep state manages to run up the flagpole after Putin croaks -- we know you'll still be here. Echoing his latest catchphrases, defending his every move.
      - thriftwy 2y ago
        I'm not a big fan of Putin, if you asked me about the downsides I won't be able to shut up for hours. However, I'm also no big fun of the state of Ukraine, but I'm quite fond of Crimea. Many Ukrainian cities as well, but Crimea in particular. So, as Lenin has said, "one can't live in a society and be free of that society".
        racional 2y ago
        I'm quite fond of Crimea. Very fond, I'm sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Lithuania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Lithu... Many Ukrainian cities as well And the German soldiers were always so fond of Paris.

by mopsi 2y ago

thriftwy 2y ago

> They are a key contributor to the European Union, a major platform for peaceful cooperation Since it excludes Russia from the day one I also care very little, and for me that's a liability not a virtue. > The only reason why anyone is dying, including Russian civilians caught in the crossfire, is because Russia started the war Again, that's only your opinion with which I disagree. There's Crimea and LPR/DPR and Ukraine has started a civil war against LPR/DPR. They should've thought twice about that. > you invaded another country, murdered and continue to murder people defending their homes They should go to Putin and sign some ceasefire or peace treaty with him if they don't like it. Why come to me. I am not Putin and I didn't even vote for him.

racional 2y ago
They should go to Putin and sign some ceasefire or peace treaty with him if they don't like it. Why come to me. I am not Putin and I didn't even vote for him. And yet - when someone corners you on the internet you run to stand behind him, like a big papa. So in that sense, you very much are "voting" for him.
- thriftwy 2y ago
  The emphasis here is not on Putin but on the negotiations. If you refuse to negotiate, you will get killed. Even if Putin is replaced tomorrow with Mutin or Agutin, it's not like you can skip the negotiations stage. It was stupid for Ukraine to skip negotiations in 2014, it was stupid for them doing three coup attempts in 15 years, but it was also stupid for Putin to do what he did in 2022. That's past now, though, that is immutable, and the future can only be fixed by negotiations.
  - racional 2y ago
    Mutin/Agutin Whoever the Russian deep state manages to run up the flagpole after Putin croaks -- we know you'll still be here. Echoing his latest catchphrases, defending his every move.
    - thriftwy 2y ago
      I'm not a big fan of Putin, if you asked me about the downsides I won't be able to shut up for hours. However, I'm also no big fun of the state of Ukraine, but I'm quite fond of Crimea. Many Ukrainian cities as well, but Crimea in particular. So, as Lenin has said, "one can't live in a society and be free of that society".
      - racional 2y ago
        I'm quite fond of Crimea. Very fond, I'm sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Lithuania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Lithu... Many Ukrainian cities as well And the German soldiers were always so fond of Paris.