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> You can't measure productivity for shit We can't measure small changes and we aren't great at comparing across orgs. However, at the director level we can c

> You can't measure productivity for shit We can't measure small changes and we aren't great at comparing across orgs. However, at the director level we can certainly see a 50% or 100% productivity improvement in our teams and with individuals in our teams. We aren't seeing changes of this magnitude because they don't exist.

WgaqPdNr7PGLGVW 2y ago
There are other potential explanations. Perhaps developers are now slacking off. Perhaps we have added more meetings because developers have more free time. Or perhaps developers were never the bottleneck. We can see large productivity improvements when we make simple changes like having product managers join the developers daily standup meetings. We can even measure productivity improvements from Slacks/Zooms auto-summary features. Yet gpt/copilot doesn't even register.
- Vegenoid 2y ago
  > We can even measure productivity improvements from Slacks/Zooms auto-summary features. While not code generation, this auto-summary is powered by the same tech. I think using it to sift through and surface relevant information, as opposed to generation of new things, will have the biggest impact. By far the greatest value I get out of LLMs is asking them to help me understand code written by others. I feel like this is an under-appreciated use. How long has this feature been in Copilot? Since February or so? Are people using it? I do not use Copilot.
- SanderNL 2y ago
  > Or perhaps developers were never the bottleneck. Now that's dangerous thinking, but I think you are onto something.
mbernstein 2y ago
Out of curiosity what are you using to measure developer productivity platform or metrics wish (if beyond typical sprint metrics)?
bongodongobob 2y ago
I use ChatGPT copilot etc to reduce my cognitive load and get a lot of things done quicker so I also have more time to fuck around. You're out of your goddamn mind if you think I'm going to increase my output for the mere chance that maybe I'll get an above inflation raise in a year. "We gave our devs a magic 10% productivity boost machine, but their output hasn't increased? I guess the machine doesn't work..." It's amusing how out of touch you are.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  There is an ethical question in here that I don’t have an answer for. As an employee, I find a way to do my job more efficiently. Do I hand those efficiencies to my employer so I can get a pat on the head, or do I keep them to myself to make my own life less stressful? If I give them to the boss, do they even have the ability to increase my pay? Using the extra time to slack off rather than enriching the employer might be the best choice. Edit: and now I see chillfox made the same point.
  - bongodongobob 2y ago
    Keep it to yourself. Your reward is just going to be more work.

WgaqPdNr7PGLGVW 2y ago

There are other potential explanations. Perhaps developers are now slacking off. Perhaps we have added more meetings because developers have more free time. Or perhaps developers were never the bottleneck. We can see large productivity improvements when we make simple changes like having product managers join the developers daily standup meetings. We can even measure productivity improvements from Slacks/Zooms auto-summary features. Yet gpt/copilot doesn't even register.

Vegenoid 2y ago
> We can even measure productivity improvements from Slacks/Zooms auto-summary features. While not code generation, this auto-summary is powered by the same tech. I think using it to sift through and surface relevant information, as opposed to generation of new things, will have the biggest impact. By far the greatest value I get out of LLMs is asking them to help me understand code written by others. I feel like this is an under-appreciated use. How long has this feature been in Copilot? Since February or so? Are people using it? I do not use Copilot.
SanderNL 2y ago
> Or perhaps developers were never the bottleneck. Now that's dangerous thinking, but I think you are onto something.

mbernstein 2y ago

Out of curiosity what are you using to measure developer productivity platform or metrics wish (if beyond typical sprint metrics)?

bongodongobob 2y ago

I use ChatGPT copilot etc to reduce my cognitive load and get a lot of things done quicker so I also have more time to fuck around. You're out of your goddamn mind if you think I'm going to increase my output for the mere chance that maybe I'll get an above inflation raise in a year. "We gave our devs a magic 10% productivity boost machine, but their output hasn't increased? I guess the machine doesn't work..." It's amusing how out of touch you are.

amanaplanacanal 2y ago
There is an ethical question in here that I don’t have an answer for. As an employee, I find a way to do my job more efficiently. Do I hand those efficiencies to my employer so I can get a pat on the head, or do I keep them to myself to make my own life less stressful? If I give them to the boss, do they even have the ability to increase my pay? Using the extra time to slack off rather than enriching the employer might be the best choice. Edit: and now I see chillfox made the same point.
- bongodongobob 2y ago
  Keep it to yourself. Your reward is just going to be more work.