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Ladybird web browser funded by GitHub co-founder, promises 'no code' from rivals

22 points by laktak 2y ago

gnabgib 2y ago
Related Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder (995 points, 1 day ago, 705 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40856791 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40856791
lukan 2y ago
"promises ‘no code’ from rivals" The article is quite good, but the headline seems clickbait and wrong. I do not recall Kling making such statements, rather: "we implement web standards ourselves,” ruling out adopting a third-party engine in its entirety." So not just using webkit, yes. But copying code how to handle a CSS case, or a wasm implementation, is not ruled out as far as I know.
- rhdunn 2y ago
  From ladybird.org: > What does "No code from other browsers" really mean? > The focus of the Ladybird project is to build a new browser engine from the ground up. We don't use code from Blink, WebKit, Gecko, or any other browser engine.
  - lukan 2y ago
    Ok then, my bad, I have not checked the website, but I think that quote should belong in the article as well. (And I also would disagree to that absolute choice of using no other browser code at all)
- greenthrow 2y ago
  "We implement web standards ourselves" would seem to be entirely at odds with your last sentence.
mgerdts 2y ago
Meanwhile, if you go searching for ladybird on Mastodon you will find that there’s quite a bit of ill will that started from a rather innocent PR to make some documentation use gender neutral pronouns.
- ranger_danger 2y ago
  Why are you trying to bring drama in here? Please delete this.
- dsff3f3f3f 2y ago
  Seems like the project quickly shut the annoying troublemakers down. The few people on Mastodon that are upset about this don't matter and they'll quickly move on to being upset about some other trivial matter.
  - lokar 2y ago
    Their opinions on this subject may not matter (to most), but I think it’s problematic to say people don’t matter.
- lukan 2y ago
  Since it was brought up, can you, or someone else summarize what happened? I am not looking for drama on Mastodon (it seems I need an account to search?), or drama here. Just some facts to judge whether this is a red flag of some kind, worth investigating more.
  - mgerdts 2y ago
    There was a PR to change references of he to they, or similar thinking the writing was by a non-native English speaker. The PR was aimed at inclusivity. The response was that politics are not welcome there. A legit seeming concern is that anything can be political in the eyes of the lead dev. Is support for screen readers part of a political agenda? In an effort to avoid drama, drama was invited. This doesn’t seem likely to be a welcoming place for some that would otherwise contribute.
jjice 2y ago
I'm not invested, but slightly bullish on Ladybird here. I'm a FireFox user of the last five years, but I'm all ears for a non-chromium competitor. I'm glad that it seems they're building a truly independent engine (which I assume is both rendering and JS). It's been a minute since we've had something _actually_ new in the browser space, and I'm excited.
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22 points by laktak 2y ago

Related Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder (995 points, 1 day ago, 705 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40856791 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40856791

lukan 2y ago

"promises ‘no code’ from rivals" The article is quite good, but the headline seems clickbait and wrong. I do not recall Kling making such statements, rather: "we implement web standards ourselves,” ruling out adopting a third-party engine in its entirety." So not just using webkit, yes. But copying code how to handle a CSS case, or a wasm implementation, is not ruled out as far as I know.

rhdunn 2y ago
From ladybird.org: > What does "No code from other browsers" really mean? > The focus of the Ladybird project is to build a new browser engine from the ground up. We don't use code from Blink, WebKit, Gecko, or any other browser engine.
- lukan 2y ago
  Ok then, my bad, I have not checked the website, but I think that quote should belong in the article as well. (And I also would disagree to that absolute choice of using no other browser code at all)
greenthrow 2y ago
"We implement web standards ourselves" would seem to be entirely at odds with your last sentence.

mgerdts 2y ago

Meanwhile, if you go searching for ladybird on Mastodon you will find that there’s quite a bit of ill will that started from a rather innocent PR to make some documentation use gender neutral pronouns.

ranger_danger 2y ago
Why are you trying to bring drama in here? Please delete this.
dsff3f3f3f 2y ago
Seems like the project quickly shut the annoying troublemakers down. The few people on Mastodon that are upset about this don't matter and they'll quickly move on to being upset about some other trivial matter.
- lokar 2y ago
  Their opinions on this subject may not matter (to most), but I think it’s problematic to say people don’t matter.
lukan 2y ago
Since it was brought up, can you, or someone else summarize what happened? I am not looking for drama on Mastodon (it seems I need an account to search?), or drama here. Just some facts to judge whether this is a red flag of some kind, worth investigating more.
- mgerdts 2y ago
  There was a PR to change references of he to they, or similar thinking the writing was by a non-native English speaker. The PR was aimed at inclusivity. The response was that politics are not welcome there. A legit seeming concern is that anything can be political in the eyes of the lead dev. Is support for screen readers part of a political agenda? In an effort to avoid drama, drama was invited. This doesn’t seem likely to be a welcoming place for some that would otherwise contribute.

jjice 2y ago

I'm not invested, but slightly bullish on Ladybird here. I'm a FireFox user of the last five years, but I'm all ears for a non-chromium competitor. I'm glad that it seems they're building a truly independent engine (which I assume is both rendering and JS). It's been a minute since we've had something _actually_ new in the browser space, and I'm excited.

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