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> The number of people raped by Soviet forces is estimated between 1 and 2 million, among them many well-known people, such as the wife of Helmut Kohl, raped wh

> The number of people raped by Soviet forces is estimated between 1 and 2 million, among them many well-known people, such as the wife of Helmut Kohl, raped when she was 12. No Russian would accuse their grand dad that has taken Berlin of anything, before walking in his shoes first. Walking to the Berlin obviously. Around 2 millions of Russian civilians starved in Leningrad during the Nazi siege. I'm honestly not sure which kind of a different response would one expect after murdering more than 20 million Soviet citizens in the four years before that. You do not want to ever bring this topic into conversation because you're going to look worse than the side you are accusing. "We said we are sorry" is not good enough, just like the post-Soviet borders. I believe Germans should start going around whacking annoying Eastern Europeans over the head when they try to dig out this hideous mass grave again. Extremely annoying behavior. Still, our ancestors had to kill all of armed to the teeth German males first, and that was no small feat, that we are still proud of; and obviously they were 100% righteous in doing so. Then all the Eastern Europeans who we "set free" did their little ethnic cleansing against Germans. I've heard Czech has expelled circa 300,000 Germans, killing several tens of thousands in the process. Ditto Poland.

mopsi 2y ago
> I'm honestly not sure which kind of a different response would one expect after murdering more than 20 million Soviet citizens in the four years before that. Ah yes, FOUR years, 1941-1945. Because the year 1939, when you signed a secret pact with Hitler dividing Europe, jointly invaded Poland and even held a joint military parade celebrating victory over Poland, didn't exist. Nor did 1940, when you invaded the Baltics and Romania, and supplied oil and other key materials in defiance of economic blockade to the Nazi war machine as German bombers were flying sorties over London, and your own were bombing Helsinki, with "bread baskets for starving Finns" as the propaganda put it (Finns invented the Molotov cocktail as a drink to go with that generous gesture). None of this happened. The war started in June 1941, right. But no. The war didn't start for Europe in 1941 nor did it for Russians. Germans and Russians were the two main instigators of the Second World War and in cooperation invaded one country in Europe after another in the first two years of the war until there was no-one left but the two of them and the stage was set for the endgame. Germans have recognized their responsibility and devoted to building a better Europe. Russia, let me check the news feed... another 5 civilians killed, 53 injured in today's drone and missile strike in the Ukrainian city of Dnipro. And god knows how many died on the frontlines defending their country, and in torture chambers on occupied territories. There is no need to speak about digging out old graves when you are producing new ones every day.
- thriftwy 2y ago
  > when you signed a secret pact with Hitler dividing Europe, jointly invaded Poland and even held a joint military parade celebrating victory over Poland I didn't sign anything. And before that, Germany and Poland has jointly invaded Czechoslovakia and divided it between themselves. It was wild; still I don't understand why I would feel responsible for any of these events in history. > Germans and Russians were the two main instigators of the Second World War That is, like, just your opinion, man. I have a different one. We can agree to disagree here. Even if was just Germany and the Soviet Union fighting each other, the point about not wishing to dig up that mass grave persists. Most of the mutilated corpses there are, tragically, Russian. > Germans have recognized their responsibility and devoted to building a better Europe Great for them, but as a Russian I saw nothing useful coming from it my way. So why would I care. > Russia, let me check the news feed... another 5 civilians killed, 53 injured on today's drone and missile strike in the Ukrainian city of Dnipro So go sign some peace treaty with Putin, he has some fresh terms for it. People in Dnepropetrovsk and Kiev stop dying, but so are people in Donetsk and Belgorod and Sevastopol. After several deadly Ukraine's attacks against civilian targets in Russia, I grew tolerance to Ukrainian losses. I genuinely don't care mourning somebody other's dead when I have enough of my own. Just don't expect us to cede any lands we paid in blood. We used to be that stupid, but I hope not anymore.
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  - mopsi 2y ago
    > It was wild; still I don't understand why I would feel responsible for any of these events in history. > Great for them, but as a Russian I saw nothing useful coming from it my way. So why would I care. > After several deadly Ukraine's attacks against civilian targets in Russia, I grew tolerance to Ukrainian losses Excellent example of Russian mentality on full display. Don't understand, don't care, don't feel responsible. This is how you differ from Germans. They have faced their past and developed a deeply internalized sense of duty not to repeat the past mistakes. They are a key contributor to the European Union, a major platform for peaceful cooperation in Europe and beyond. Despite long and violent history, they have mended relations with France and Poland and many others who have seen Germans as enemies for centuries. Since the 1960s, Germans have pursued the policy of Wandel durch Handel, hoping to bring positive change through mutually beneficial trade, including with Russia. They have provided aid and investments in billions and billions, and if anything has not reached you, then that's because Putin chose to spend the money earned through trade on missiles killing people in Ukraine instead of building better schools in Russia. Your attitude towards the victims of the latest war is particularly vile. The only reason why anyone is dying, including Russian civilians caught in the crossfire, is because Russia started the war for which people like you keep inventing excuses out of imperialistic delusions and entitlement. This is especially revealing: > Just don't expect us to cede any lands we paid in blood. We used to be that stupid, but I hope not anymore. You "pay in blood" only because you invaded another country, murdered and continue to murder people defending their homes and loved ones as you try to steal their property. There is nothing smart about thievery and murder. Germans are smart. They found a way to have a influence on the world without all that. You will continue to pay in blood until you leave Ukraine alone because that is fair and just.

mopsi 2y ago

> I'm honestly not sure which kind of a different response would one expect after murdering more than 20 million Soviet citizens in the four years before that. Ah yes, FOUR years, 1941-1945. Because the year 1939, when you signed a secret pact with Hitler dividing Europe, jointly invaded Poland and even held a joint military parade celebrating victory over Poland, didn't exist. Nor did 1940, when you invaded the Baltics and Romania, and supplied oil and other key materials in defiance of economic blockade to the Nazi war machine as German bombers were flying sorties over London, and your own were bombing Helsinki, with "bread baskets for starving Finns" as the propaganda put it (Finns invented the Molotov cocktail as a drink to go with that generous gesture). None of this happened. The war started in June 1941, right. But no. The war didn't start for Europe in 1941 nor did it for Russians. Germans and Russians were the two main instigators of the Second World War and in cooperation invaded one country in Europe after another in the first two years of the war until there was no-one left but the two of them and the stage was set for the endgame. Germans have recognized their responsibility and devoted to building a better Europe. Russia, let me check the news feed... another 5 civilians killed, 53 injured in today's drone and missile strike in the Ukrainian city of Dnipro. And god knows how many died on the frontlines defending their country, and in torture chambers on occupied territories. There is no need to speak about digging out old graves when you are producing new ones every day.

thriftwy 2y ago
> when you signed a secret pact with Hitler dividing Europe, jointly invaded Poland and even held a joint military parade celebrating victory over Poland I didn't sign anything. And before that, Germany and Poland has jointly invaded Czechoslovakia and divided it between themselves. It was wild; still I don't understand why I would feel responsible for any of these events in history. > Germans and Russians were the two main instigators of the Second World War That is, like, just your opinion, man. I have a different one. We can agree to disagree here. Even if was just Germany and the Soviet Union fighting each other, the point about not wishing to dig up that mass grave persists. Most of the mutilated corpses there are, tragically, Russian. > Germans have recognized their responsibility and devoted to building a better Europe Great for them, but as a Russian I saw nothing useful coming from it my way. So why would I care. > Russia, let me check the news feed... another 5 civilians killed, 53 injured on today's drone and missile strike in the Ukrainian city of Dnipro So go sign some peace treaty with Putin, he has some fresh terms for it. People in Dnepropetrovsk and Kiev stop dying, but so are people in Donetsk and Belgorod and Sevastopol. After several deadly Ukraine's attacks against civilian targets in Russia, I grew tolerance to Ukrainian losses. I genuinely don't care mourning somebody other's dead when I have enough of my own. Just don't expect us to cede any lands we paid in blood. We used to be that stupid, but I hope not anymore.
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- mopsi 2y ago
  > It was wild; still I don't understand why I would feel responsible for any of these events in history. > Great for them, but as a Russian I saw nothing useful coming from it my way. So why would I care. > After several deadly Ukraine's attacks against civilian targets in Russia, I grew tolerance to Ukrainian losses Excellent example of Russian mentality on full display. Don't understand, don't care, don't feel responsible. This is how you differ from Germans. They have faced their past and developed a deeply internalized sense of duty not to repeat the past mistakes. They are a key contributor to the European Union, a major platform for peaceful cooperation in Europe and beyond. Despite long and violent history, they have mended relations with France and Poland and many others who have seen Germans as enemies for centuries. Since the 1960s, Germans have pursued the policy of Wandel durch Handel, hoping to bring positive change through mutually beneficial trade, including with Russia. They have provided aid and investments in billions and billions, and if anything has not reached you, then that's because Putin chose to spend the money earned through trade on missiles killing people in Ukraine instead of building better schools in Russia. Your attitude towards the victims of the latest war is particularly vile. The only reason why anyone is dying, including Russian civilians caught in the crossfire, is because Russia started the war for which people like you keep inventing excuses out of imperialistic delusions and entitlement. This is especially revealing: > Just don't expect us to cede any lands we paid in blood. We used to be that stupid, but I hope not anymore. You "pay in blood" only because you invaded another country, murdered and continue to murder people defending their homes and loved ones as you try to steal their property. There is nothing smart about thievery and murder. Germans are smart. They found a way to have a influence on the world without all that. You will continue to pay in blood until you leave Ukraine alone because that is fair and just.