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> The downside is that it is extremely hard for new grads with no experience to get their first job in … and Europe compares to USA. Not sure about Japan or re

by n_ary 2y ago

> The downside is that it is extremely hard for new grads with no experience to get their first job in … and Europe compares to USA. Not sure about Japan or rest of EU, but in Germany, landing a SWE with no prior experience beyond basics(watched some videos on YouTube and wrote some HTML/CSS in notepad) in larger corps is easy. Firing is also simple(2 weeks notice) during first 6 months probation period.

legitster 2y ago
The counter to that counter is that I have been told that software jobs in Germany start out as very low paying. My friend who moved to Germany to work as a programmer ended up only getting about $30k a year to start, which at the time was less than half of what our peers were making in the US. That said, I think probationary periods are one of the best ideas the US needs to adopt.
- manishsharan 2y ago
  >>probationary periods are one of the best ideas the US needs to adopt May I ask why? Both Canada and USA allow employers to fire with 2 weeks (or a month .. I forget )notice.
  - ushtaritk421 2y ago
    In the US you can be fired with 0 notice or severance, regardless of tenure in most states.
  - legitster 2y ago
    Even though you are entitled to fire people in the US, there are a lot of differing state and city rules. You are also open to (potential) lawsuits at all times. There are also now a lot of very obtuse rules about things like healthcare coverage for full time employees. There's an extra layer of simplicity when it comes to probationary periods.
- mmarq 2y ago
  A junior/graduate dev in Germany makes €50K a year. $28K is the minimum wage for a full time employee.
constantcrying 2y ago
>Not sure about Japan or rest of EU, but in Germany, landing a SWE with no prior experience beyond basics(watched some videos on YouTube and wrote some HTML/CSS in notepad) in larger corps is easy. I don't think this is true at all, but even if SWE pays pretty badly in Germany, at least compared to the US.
- rcbdev 2y ago
  SWE pays bad everywhere compared to the US.

by n_ary 2y ago

legitster 2y ago

The counter to that counter is that I have been told that software jobs in Germany start out as very low paying. My friend who moved to Germany to work as a programmer ended up only getting about $30k a year to start, which at the time was less than half of what our peers were making in the US. That said, I think probationary periods are one of the best ideas the US needs to adopt.

manishsharan 2y ago
>>probationary periods are one of the best ideas the US needs to adopt May I ask why? Both Canada and USA allow employers to fire with 2 weeks (or a month .. I forget )notice.
- ushtaritk421 2y ago
  In the US you can be fired with 0 notice or severance, regardless of tenure in most states.
- legitster 2y ago
  Even though you are entitled to fire people in the US, there are a lot of differing state and city rules. You are also open to (potential) lawsuits at all times. There are also now a lot of very obtuse rules about things like healthcare coverage for full time employees. There's an extra layer of simplicity when it comes to probationary periods.
mmarq 2y ago
A junior/graduate dev in Germany makes €50K a year. $28K is the minimum wage for a full time employee.

constantcrying 2y ago

>Not sure about Japan or rest of EU, but in Germany, landing a SWE with no prior experience beyond basics(watched some videos on YouTube and wrote some HTML/CSS in notepad) in larger corps is easy. I don't think this is true at all, but even if SWE pays pretty badly in Germany, at least compared to the US.

rcbdev 2y ago
SWE pays bad everywhere compared to the US.