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France generates around 70pc of its electricity from nuclear. Who cares about this?

vel0city 2y ago
It is not just the energy usage but also the refrigerants used. Most common refrigerants used in AC systems are pretty bad GHG'es themselves, often 2,000x worse than CO2. Are many small portable AC units these days running 1234yf yet?
- datadrivenangel 2y ago
  Can't you get R744 (CO2) AC systems these days?
  - vel0city 2y ago
    I've yet to see many small portable ac units running R744 at least in the US. It requires really high pressures to run well.
- kamilner 2y ago
  I'm pretty sure most portable ACs sold in Europe these days are R290 (propane) which has a GWP of about 1/14th of CO2, so for those that's no longer much of a concern.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    R290 has a GWP of 3.3, so that's 3.3x worse than CO2 with a GOP of 1. Which makes sense, because when propane breaks down it usually breaks down to CO2. Thanks for sharing that portable AC's in Europe are R290, I don't think that's super common in the US. But I'm open to being shown wrong on that!
- SkyPuncher 2y ago
  This is not true anymore. Most systems are switching to less dangerous refrigerants.
dixkon 2y ago
French taxes payers do care about this. Those 2500 AC units will add to the public bill, and the country can't afford it.
- _aavaa_ 2y ago
  No country can afford the Olympics, it's always a bad investment
  - tzs 2y ago
    Counterexample: the 1984 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles. Los Angeles had the advantage that they didn't have to build much for the Games. For venues for the events they have enough large arenas and stadiums for the major pro sports teams there and enough universities with large stadiums to cover all the high attendance events. For the lower attendance sports they had plenty of smaller commercial venues and college facilities. For housing they used student housing at UCLA and USC. Combined USC and UCLA have around 50k undergraduates with around 40% living on-campus with much of that vacant over the summer. They ended up only needing to build a couple new venues--one velodrome and one swimming facility, if I recall correctly.
    - drivingmenuts 2y ago
      That was then - this is now. I doubt LA would be able to afford the Olympics, if they had to pay for them now. Entire countries cannot afford to host the Olympics anymore - it's time to shut them down for good or revamp them to be actually affordable for hosts and guests.
      - votepaunchy 2y ago
        > I doubt LA would be able to afford the Olympics, if they had to pay for them now. The 2028 Summer Olympics are in LA.
- rasz 2y ago
  No doubt those will be single hose stand alone units, the worst kind [Portable Air Conditioners - Why you shouldn't like them] by Technology Connections https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-mBeYC2KGc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-mBeYC2KGc

It is not just the energy usage but also the refrigerants used. Most common refrigerants used in AC systems are pretty bad GHG'es themselves, often 2,000x worse than CO2. Are many small portable AC units these days running 1234yf yet?

datadrivenangel 2y ago
Can't you get R744 (CO2) AC systems these days?
- vel0city 2y ago
  I've yet to see many small portable ac units running R744 at least in the US. It requires really high pressures to run well.
kamilner 2y ago
I'm pretty sure most portable ACs sold in Europe these days are R290 (propane) which has a GWP of about 1/14th of CO2, so for those that's no longer much of a concern.
- vel0city 2y ago
  R290 has a GWP of 3.3, so that's 3.3x worse than CO2 with a GOP of 1. Which makes sense, because when propane breaks down it usually breaks down to CO2. Thanks for sharing that portable AC's in Europe are R290, I don't think that's super common in the US. But I'm open to being shown wrong on that!
SkyPuncher 2y ago
This is not true anymore. Most systems are switching to less dangerous refrigerants.

dixkon 2y ago

French taxes payers do care about this. Those 2500 AC units will add to the public bill, and the country can't afford it.

_aavaa_ 2y ago
No country can afford the Olympics, it's always a bad investment
- tzs 2y ago
  Counterexample: the 1984 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles. Los Angeles had the advantage that they didn't have to build much for the Games. For venues for the events they have enough large arenas and stadiums for the major pro sports teams there and enough universities with large stadiums to cover all the high attendance events. For the lower attendance sports they had plenty of smaller commercial venues and college facilities. For housing they used student housing at UCLA and USC. Combined USC and UCLA have around 50k undergraduates with around 40% living on-campus with much of that vacant over the summer. They ended up only needing to build a couple new venues--one velodrome and one swimming facility, if I recall correctly.
  - drivingmenuts 2y ago
    That was then - this is now. I doubt LA would be able to afford the Olympics, if they had to pay for them now. Entire countries cannot afford to host the Olympics anymore - it's time to shut them down for good or revamp them to be actually affordable for hosts and guests.
    - votepaunchy 2y ago
      > I doubt LA would be able to afford the Olympics, if they had to pay for them now. The 2028 Summer Olympics are in LA.
rasz 2y ago
No doubt those will be single hose stand alone units, the worst kind [Portable Air Conditioners - Why you shouldn't like them] by Technology Connections https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-mBeYC2KGc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-mBeYC2KGc