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I've never seen so many screenshots for a git tutorial. Are windows users ok?

hobs 2y ago
Generally the word DBA has a pretty broad meaning - and one of them is that you were a click admin that got hoisted into being responsible for your database servers, and things like software engineering tools (git, shell scripting in general) are a few years off. The number of databases I have seen out of source control is too many to count, the number of times I had people who understood SQL very well but couldn't use git worth a damn. Some of them have been modifying the top of the file of a stored procedure for decades 2024-01-01 hobs - changed even more shit 2023-07-24 hobs - minor tweaks 2001-02-04 hobs - created
- cafard 2y ago
  I am reasonably confident that Oracle keeps its code under source control, but the PL/SQL packages it supplied start with a lot of this. The package WWV_FLOW, central to the APEX/ORDS product has more than 500 lines like -- MODIFIED (MM/DD/YYYY) -- mhichwa 08/04/1999 - Created -- mhichwa 09/30/1999 - Removed g_show_reset global -- mhichwa 10/09/1999 - Added g_last_query_text global for error reporting -- mhichwa 10/09/1999 - Removed g_success_procedure, g_success_url -- mhichwa 10/09/1999 - Removed g_step_sub_title_font_color -- -- mhichwa 10/14/1999 - Added 10 extra inputs v26 ... v35
  - hobs 2y ago
    Thanks for the good laugh, but yeah, the time before source control is not that far behind some of us.
okasaki 2y ago
Have you ever seen a book about a Windows app? 1200 pages, 1000 of them screenshots. An insane way to do computing.
- tempaway4512641 2y ago
  its how we roll in Windows land, GUIs over command line mostly true, you need some screenshots to teach someone a new trick but then when they've done it once they'll remember it because GUIs really help for that kind of stuff whereas for command line you'll have to google it every single time for the rest of your life unless its something you do regularly
  - safety1st 2y ago
    ...Or just commit the terminal commands and/or resulting dotfiles to git. Which the GUI paradigm has no built in equivalent to
    - humanfromearth9 2y ago
      Equivalent GUI paradigm : macro recording?
      - tichiian 2y ago
        Not really, at least not in Windows. There are no cross-application macros in Windows, just intra-application ones, and that only for some applications. It is a little better on MacOS with AppleScript, which can be used to bind different applications together. But not all of them, and it is far from ideal. In the end, nothing of this is command-line equivalent. Btw, if you want to see a GUI application that can do really really good macros, learn Blender! E.g. you can bind any button and knob to keyframes to change them in animations. That would be the level of macro-integration required to be CLI-like...
        pjmlp 2y ago
        I rather roll with Xerox, Dec, Apple and ETHZ way of computing with OLE Automation, COM, WMI, .NET, VBScript and PowerShell REPLs and scripts.
        fragmede 2y ago
shortrounddev2 2y ago
It's a very old way to use git, too. There's a CLI client for windows which doesn't require the old git bash program or mingw. You can install it via widget, scoop, or chocolatey and run it in windows terminal
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way0utwest 2y ago
It's that lots of db people don't understand anything about VCS period. They don't use them. (it's my piece)

hobs 2y ago

Generally the word DBA has a pretty broad meaning - and one of them is that you were a click admin that got hoisted into being responsible for your database servers, and things like software engineering tools (git, shell scripting in general) are a few years off. The number of databases I have seen out of source control is too many to count, the number of times I had people who understood SQL very well but couldn't use git worth a damn. Some of them have been modifying the top of the file of a stored procedure for decades 2024-01-01 hobs - changed even more shit 2023-07-24 hobs - minor tweaks 2001-02-04 hobs - created

cafard 2y ago
I am reasonably confident that Oracle keeps its code under source control, but the PL/SQL packages it supplied start with a lot of this. The package WWV_FLOW, central to the APEX/ORDS product has more than 500 lines like -- MODIFIED (MM/DD/YYYY) -- mhichwa 08/04/1999 - Created -- mhichwa 09/30/1999 - Removed g_show_reset global -- mhichwa 10/09/1999 - Added g_last_query_text global for error reporting -- mhichwa 10/09/1999 - Removed g_success_procedure, g_success_url -- mhichwa 10/09/1999 - Removed g_step_sub_title_font_color -- -- mhichwa 10/14/1999 - Added 10 extra inputs v26 ... v35
- hobs 2y ago
  Thanks for the good laugh, but yeah, the time before source control is not that far behind some of us.

okasaki 2y ago

Have you ever seen a book about a Windows app? 1200 pages, 1000 of them screenshots. An insane way to do computing.

tempaway4512641 2y ago
its how we roll in Windows land, GUIs over command line mostly true, you need some screenshots to teach someone a new trick but then when they've done it once they'll remember it because GUIs really help for that kind of stuff whereas for command line you'll have to google it every single time for the rest of your life unless its something you do regularly
- safety1st 2y ago
  ...Or just commit the terminal commands and/or resulting dotfiles to git. Which the GUI paradigm has no built in equivalent to
  - humanfromearth9 2y ago
    Equivalent GUI paradigm : macro recording?
    - tichiian 2y ago
      Not really, at least not in Windows. There are no cross-application macros in Windows, just intra-application ones, and that only for some applications. It is a little better on MacOS with AppleScript, which can be used to bind different applications together. But not all of them, and it is far from ideal. In the end, nothing of this is command-line equivalent. Btw, if you want to see a GUI application that can do really really good macros, learn Blender! E.g. you can bind any button and knob to keyframes to change them in animations. That would be the level of macro-integration required to be CLI-like...
      - pjmlp 2y ago
        I rather roll with Xerox, Dec, Apple and ETHZ way of computing with OLE Automation, COM, WMI, .NET, VBScript and PowerShell REPLs and scripts.
      - fragmede 2y ago

shortrounddev2 2y ago

It's a very old way to use git, too. There's a CLI client for windows which doesn't require the old git bash program or mingw. You can install it via widget, scoop, or chocolatey and run it in windows terminal

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way0utwest 2y ago

It's that lots of db people don't understand anything about VCS period. They don't use them. (it's my piece)