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> Wes: There’s audio recording of him dying. My advisor listened to it. I’ve never listened to it, but it’s 15 minutes of him being dismantled by a bear. You ca
by lqet 2y ago
> Wes: There’s audio recording of him dying. My advisor listened to it. I’ve never listened to it, but it’s 15 minutes of him being dismantled by a bear. You can hear his arm being separated from his body in it. It’s the worst possible way to go.
God, I remember watching the scene in "Grizzly Man" in which Werner Herzog listens to this exact audio recording. Even via proxy, it's very hard to stomach.
https://youtu.be/IP2BQLOWi4M?si=yy76XPhS6woyyA86&t=170 https://youtu.be/IP2BQLOWi4M?si=yy76XPhS6woyyA86&t=170
In Herzog's own words:
> It's the most terrifying thing I've ever heard in my life. Being shocked like that, I told her, "You should never listen to it, and you should rather destroy [the tape]. It should not be sitting on your shelf in your living room all the time."
- RamRodification 2y agoHow can someone tell, in an audio recording of a man being eaten by a bear, that at one specific point, you are hearing his arm being separated from his body? I'd like to think that he narrated it while it was happening. But imma call BS on this one.
- nkrisc 2y agoIt might make a rather distinctive sound, based on what I’ve heard from other large mammals being butchered.
- mannykannot 2y agoAnd maybe the remaining physical evidence ruled out other limbs.
- scotteric 2y agoHe was alive and conscious for the 15 minutes of the attack. He may have screamed about his arm to his girlfriend.
- EdwardDiego 2y agoAHHHH NOT MY ARM. Also, joints make a distinctive noise when being... decoupled. But I suspect the narration may have helped nail down which joint was in play.
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- eddiewithzato 2y agogotta give it up to tigers, at least they kill you in the neck first
- tokai 2y agoI think the bear biologist forgot that cats often play with their prey before killing it.
- EdwardDiego 2y agoCitation for big cats doing that with primates?
- sandworm101 2y agoI have seen trailcamera footage of a cougar bringing a live deer back to its cubs so they can learn how to kill. The cubs seemed confused, playing with the deer.
- EdwardDiego 2y agoI believe I mentioned primates?
- pessimizer 2y agoWhat reason would you have to think that primates are exceptional?
- EdwardDiego 2y agoI specified primates because big cats eat more baboons than humans, but they kill both species in a very similar fashion, so let's open up the problem space. So, really straightforward, in the context of bears eating people, someone implied that a cat will toy with you to death. I asked for evidence that they do this with primates, someone shared an anecdote about deer that isn't relevant to "bears eating people". I'm not saying primates are exceptional, rather, that the story about deer is irrelevant.
- sandworm101 2y agohttps://youtu.be/nU5cMZymSr0 https://youtu.be/nU5cMZymSr0 Dont worry, not a violent attack. This is a black bear digging into a girl's kayak as she yells at it. Notice how the bear ignores her pleadings. I have personally shouted at and scared away bears (bc, black bears). They do respond. But once they decide you are not a threat, or heaven help you food, they will ignore any noise you make. This girl's high-pitched squeals fall on deaf ears. The fuzzy dog-like intelligent animal becomes a monster. Fyi, the girl's progressively higher pitch may do well to attract help from other humans, but wont work on a predator. You want to sound intimidating and big, not small and weak. Of course you aren't ever going to sound bigger than a grizzly in feeding mode. At that point your only hope is something unnatural like a bearbanger (firework) gunshot or metallic sound, something to break the predator's confidence. Sounding like food won't help.
- ccppurcell 2y agoIf it's black fight back, if it's brown lie down, if it's white say goodnight.
- sandworm101 2y agoBears are more complex than their species. A black bear in protective mode trying to scare you away from its cubs/kill/den won't back down from a fight. Better to retreat quietly. And lying on the ground won't save you from a brown bear in predator mode. You need to read the animal just as you would read an aggressive dog. But a polar bear within 10 feet of you is another thing. I'm no gun nut, but a fully-automatic AR-15 with a 30-round mag is totally reasonable when in the arctic. Or an automatic shotgun. Don't mess around in polar bear territory.
- snerbles 2y agoAre you hunting the bear? Or carrying insurance in case of a bear attack while conducting some other activity? Both are very different things. 5.56mm is a very small cartridge for game that large, and with full auto you will spray wide and in a few seconds have an empty mag. Besides, within 10 feet everything that can go wrong has gone wrong and you will likely get mauled anyway. Large magazine rifles with backup pistols do have a niche in hunting packs of aggressive wild boars in close quarters, but that is an exceedingly dangerous hobby best left to those with a background in door-kicking.
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