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Something I've thought a lot while playing backgammon locally is "I wish there was a site like lichess, but for backgammon"... so kudos for going out and starti

Something I've thought a lot while playing backgammon locally is "I wish there was a site like lichess, but for backgammon"... so kudos for going out and starting your own! Are there any plans for post-game analysis? There seems to be an issue with the login/signup form, as it doesn't pull up the native keyboard for my phone, but some random keyboard.

fforflo 2y ago
I got a feeling that this may be a cultural aspect there too: Backgammon is not considered "sophisticated," I think. I'm from Greece (I don't play backgammon myself, though), and backgammon (tavli) is extremely popular but widely considered "a game for the masses." It is played mostly in tavernas and old-style coffee shops, and each game has a social aspect, too. People discussing (sometimes shouting and finger-pointing "no! You should have done this or that! Ah! just get up and let me play, you're a noob!" I can't but laugh thinking who would be the GMHikaru or GothamChess of tavli :D :D Edit: This can be misinterpreted. I don't play tavli not because is not considered sophisticated, I just find the rules confusing for certain setups.
- chongli 2y ago
  That sounds great! Here in Canada the bar scene is mostly about watching hockey on big screen TVs. That’s a lot less interesting to me than games. I never learned backgammon though.
- kzrdude 2y ago
  chess should be a game for the masses too, and I think it is. People play that in cafes too
  - TylerE 2y ago
    Backgammon is arguably a much better game for casual play. In Chess, unless the skill levels are pretty close, one player (the stronger one) is going to win almost every game, and many of the non-wins will be draws. Backgammon has just about the perfect amount of RNG injected into it... weaker players can win, especially a single point (backgammon is typically played to a point target.. a game is normally worth 1 point (except for a few edge cases where one player loses very badly), but there is a doubling cube that starts in the middle. At their turn either played can pick up the cube and double, at which point their opponent can either accept, and play for double points, or resign for the _original_ stake. The cube is then handed to the acceptor, and then he can redouble later, etc, etc.
  - huimang 2y ago
    It's not that you can't play chess in cafes (I've also done that), but chess is more complex and is -perceived- to be much more complex and serious. Backgammon has dice rolls and less complex strategy, so it's nicer to play over coffee and chatting. Rolling doubles also gives potential for comeback swings so it can be fun for spectators too.
- TylerE 2y ago
  Interesting, I've seen the opposite. In the US it's hardly played at all, nowhere near something like chess or poker, but a large (relative) percentage of the play that happens is for money, often at absolute nosebleed stakes.
- huimang 2y ago
  After I learned backgammon from my parents, I also wonder why almost no one plays it in the US compared to chess. Seems mostly European and Middle Eastern folks play it (my parents are from Romania). I like it because it's not as serious as chess, at least when it's not played for money. Just roll and go. I always carry a portable set with me, made by sondergut.
me_me_me 2y ago
https://www.playok.com/ https://www.playok.com/ its english version of polish kurnik.pl (henhouse) Its as old as polish internet, very rudimentary but always active for all kind of games
- NooneAtAll3 2y ago
  no long nardi :(
tslocum 2y ago
Thanks. Yes, I hope to support analyzing games in the future. I experimented with interfacing with gnubg to accomplish this, and hit a brick wall, as gnubg really isn't designed for computers to use it. From what I can tell, I would need to scrape the terminal output of gnubg to do this programmatically. I haven't found any open source engines that seem easier to interface with, if anyone knows of one, please share. The internal keyboard is shown rather than the device keyboard because on many devices, using the device keyboard does not work. It either doesn't show at all, or it is shown but key input is not registered. I hope that the game engine powering bgammon.org adds support for using device keyboards soon, and will be glad to revert to using device keyboard as soon as possible.

fforflo 2y ago

I got a feeling that this may be a cultural aspect there too: Backgammon is not considered "sophisticated," I think. I'm from Greece (I don't play backgammon myself, though), and backgammon (tavli) is extremely popular but widely considered "a game for the masses." It is played mostly in tavernas and old-style coffee shops, and each game has a social aspect, too. People discussing (sometimes shouting and finger-pointing "no! You should have done this or that! Ah! just get up and let me play, you're a noob!" I can't but laugh thinking who would be the GMHikaru or GothamChess of tavli :D :D Edit: This can be misinterpreted. I don't play tavli not because is not considered sophisticated, I just find the rules confusing for certain setups.

chongli 2y ago
That sounds great! Here in Canada the bar scene is mostly about watching hockey on big screen TVs. That’s a lot less interesting to me than games. I never learned backgammon though.
kzrdude 2y ago
chess should be a game for the masses too, and I think it is. People play that in cafes too
- TylerE 2y ago
  Backgammon is arguably a much better game for casual play. In Chess, unless the skill levels are pretty close, one player (the stronger one) is going to win almost every game, and many of the non-wins will be draws. Backgammon has just about the perfect amount of RNG injected into it... weaker players can win, especially a single point (backgammon is typically played to a point target.. a game is normally worth 1 point (except for a few edge cases where one player loses very badly), but there is a doubling cube that starts in the middle. At their turn either played can pick up the cube and double, at which point their opponent can either accept, and play for double points, or resign for the _original_ stake. The cube is then handed to the acceptor, and then he can redouble later, etc, etc.
- huimang 2y ago
  It's not that you can't play chess in cafes (I've also done that), but chess is more complex and is -perceived- to be much more complex and serious. Backgammon has dice rolls and less complex strategy, so it's nicer to play over coffee and chatting. Rolling doubles also gives potential for comeback swings so it can be fun for spectators too.
TylerE 2y ago
Interesting, I've seen the opposite. In the US it's hardly played at all, nowhere near something like chess or poker, but a large (relative) percentage of the play that happens is for money, often at absolute nosebleed stakes.
huimang 2y ago
After I learned backgammon from my parents, I also wonder why almost no one plays it in the US compared to chess. Seems mostly European and Middle Eastern folks play it (my parents are from Romania). I like it because it's not as serious as chess, at least when it's not played for money. Just roll and go. I always carry a portable set with me, made by sondergut.

me_me_me 2y ago

https://www.playok.com/ https://www.playok.com/ its english version of polish kurnik.pl (henhouse) Its as old as polish internet, very rudimentary but always active for all kind of games

NooneAtAll3 2y ago
no long nardi :(

tslocum 2y ago

Thanks. Yes, I hope to support analyzing games in the future. I experimented with interfacing with gnubg to accomplish this, and hit a brick wall, as gnubg really isn't designed for computers to use it. From what I can tell, I would need to scrape the terminal output of gnubg to do this programmatically. I haven't found any open source engines that seem easier to interface with, if anyone knows of one, please share. The internal keyboard is shown rather than the device keyboard because on many devices, using the device keyboard does not work. It either doesn't show at all, or it is shown but key input is not registered. I hope that the game engine powering bgammon.org adds support for using device keyboards soon, and will be glad to revert to using device keyboard as soon as possible.