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Wasn't there something going on in Ukraine in 2014? I remember a certain leaked phone call[0] suggesting heavy US involvement in the country after the change i

Wasn't there something going on in Ukraine in 2014? I remember a certain leaked phone call[0] suggesting heavy US involvement in the country after the change in government happened rather abruptly[1] and by looking closely at what happened during the escalation of violence during the Maidan protests[2], it leaves a different impression than what I can read in most newspapers. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoW75J5bnnE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoW75J5bnnE [1] https://www.voltairenet.org/article182308.html#nh1 https://www.voltairenet.org/article182308.html#nh1 [2] https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/22/the-buried-maidan-massacre-and-its-misrepresentation-by-the-west/ https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/22/the-buried-maidan-mass...

blue_pants 2y ago
TLDR from the provided links [0][1]: Nuland and Pyatt are not talking about replacing Yanukovych as president, they are referring to who would become prime minister. How do we know this? Well, for one thing, on Feb. 21st, 2014, the U.S. and E.U. managed to broker a deal between Yanukovych and the opposition (one which Yanukovych himself advanced) in which Yanukovych would continue as president (alongside a new prime minister chosen from the opposition) until new elections were held in December, a full ten months from that point. The deal never came into effect. Why? Because immediately after signing, Yanukovych hightailed out of Kyiv. [0] https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1761873996675682423.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1761873996675682423.html [1] https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1573307576959512576.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1573307576959512576.html (be warned author uses pejorative language, which is a shame)
- DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
  Yanukovych "hightailed out of Kiev" because armed protesters broke the agreement and stormed the government buildings.
bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
> Wasn't there something going on in Ukraine in 2014? Yes, Russia's invasion in 2014.
- jasonvorhe 2y ago
  Funny how you managed to completely ignore anything else from that comment.
  - bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
    It's not funny, it's reasonable. Russian invaded Ukraine. I don't care about "phone calls".
    - jasonvorhe 2y ago
      Ignoring reality is just as much of a conscious decision as any. If it helps, good luck.

blue_pants 2y ago

TLDR from the provided links [0][1]: Nuland and Pyatt are not talking about replacing Yanukovych as president, they are referring to who would become prime minister. How do we know this? Well, for one thing, on Feb. 21st, 2014, the U.S. and E.U. managed to broker a deal between Yanukovych and the opposition (one which Yanukovych himself advanced) in which Yanukovych would continue as president (alongside a new prime minister chosen from the opposition) until new elections were held in December, a full ten months from that point. The deal never came into effect. Why? Because immediately after signing, Yanukovych hightailed out of Kyiv. [0] https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1761873996675682423.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1761873996675682423.html [1] https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1573307576959512576.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1573307576959512576.html (be warned author uses pejorative language, which is a shame)

DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
Yanukovych "hightailed out of Kiev" because armed protesters broke the agreement and stormed the government buildings.

bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago

> Wasn't there something going on in Ukraine in 2014? Yes, Russia's invasion in 2014.

jasonvorhe 2y ago
Funny how you managed to completely ignore anything else from that comment.
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
  It's not funny, it's reasonable. Russian invaded Ukraine. I don't care about "phone calls".
  - jasonvorhe 2y ago
    Ignoring reality is just as much of a conscious decision as any. If it helps, good luck.