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And what do you recommend? Start ww3 before Russia does?

justinclift 2y ago
Something like stuxnet? ;)
chipdart 2y ago
> And what do you recommend? Start ww3 before Russia does? I'm not sure if you noticed that Russia already started WW3 if it's path of escalation doesn't stop with a clear defeat of its invasion of Ukraine. Even their talking heads have been openly talking about WW3 for over a year. They have been threatening the Baltics with an annexation and pretty much the entire western Europe with nuclear annihilation. They aren't exactly shy in voicing their plans, where they were counting in their 3-day invasion of Ukraine to be the catalyst for western Europe in particular and NATO in general to simply fold and accept the annexation by Russia of countries right up to Poland. If you were a historian in a century from now, how would you describe Russia's antics? One of the key propaganda pieces of Russia in this war is how "the west" is forcing Ukrainians to die by giving them the necessary means to resist and oppose Russia's invasion and genocide of Ukraine. Flipping this over, it reads as if they know the strategy of de escalation followed by "the west" is to turn Russia's 3-day invasion into a long drawn-out unsustainable war of attrition, designed to decimate Russia's armed forces and eliminate their ability to even consider the prospects of a war of aggression in decades to come. In the meantime, Europe is also ramping up it's defense sector just in case Ukraine doesn't hold.
- caustic-view 2y ago
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Log_out_ 2y ago
stop pretending russia hasn't started it already.
- caustic-view 2y ago
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bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
Hello? Russia already started WW3. The media just hasn't reported it as such, because world wars are complex things.
- jasonvorhe 2y ago
  Wasn't there something going on in Ukraine in 2014? I remember a certain leaked phone call[0] suggesting heavy US involvement in the country after the change in government happened rather abruptly[1] and by looking closely at what happened during the escalation of violence during the Maidan protests[2], it leaves a different impression than what I can read in most newspapers. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoW75J5bnnE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoW75J5bnnE [1] https://www.voltairenet.org/article182308.html#nh1 https://www.voltairenet.org/article182308.html#nh1 [2] https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/22/the-buried-maidan-massacre-and-its-misrepresentation-by-the-west/ https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/22/the-buried-maidan-mass...
  - blue_pants 2y ago
    TLDR from the provided links [0][1]: Nuland and Pyatt are not talking about replacing Yanukovych as president, they are referring to who would become prime minister. How do we know this? Well, for one thing, on Feb. 21st, 2014, the U.S. and E.U. managed to broker a deal between Yanukovych and the opposition (one which Yanukovych himself advanced) in which Yanukovych would continue as president (alongside a new prime minister chosen from the opposition) until new elections were held in December, a full ten months from that point. The deal never came into effect. Why? Because immediately after signing, Yanukovych hightailed out of Kyiv. [0] https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1761873996675682423.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1761873996675682423.html [1] https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1573307576959512576.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1573307576959512576.html (be warned author uses pejorative language, which is a shame)
    - DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
      Yanukovych "hightailed out of Kiev" because armed protesters broke the agreement and stormed the government buildings.

Something like stuxnet? ;)

> And what do you recommend? Start ww3 before Russia does? I'm not sure if you noticed that Russia already started WW3 if it's path of escalation doesn't stop with a clear defeat of its invasion of Ukraine. Even their talking heads have been openly talking about WW3 for over a year. They have been threatening the Baltics with an annexation and pretty much the entire western Europe with nuclear annihilation. They aren't exactly shy in voicing their plans, where they were counting in their 3-day invasion of Ukraine to be the catalyst for western Europe in particular and NATO in general to simply fold and accept the annexation by Russia of countries right up to Poland. If you were a historian in a century from now, how would you describe Russia's antics? One of the key propaganda pieces of Russia in this war is how "the west" is forcing Ukrainians to die by giving them the necessary means to resist and oppose Russia's invasion and genocide of Ukraine. Flipping this over, it reads as if they know the strategy of de escalation followed by "the west" is to turn Russia's 3-day invasion into a long drawn-out unsustainable war of attrition, designed to decimate Russia's armed forces and eliminate their ability to even consider the prospects of a war of aggression in decades to come. In the meantime, Europe is also ramping up it's defense sector just in case Ukraine doesn't hold.

caustic-view 2y ago
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Log_out_ 2y ago

stop pretending russia hasn't started it already.

caustic-view 2y ago
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bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago

Hello? Russia already started WW3. The media just hasn't reported it as such, because world wars are complex things.

jasonvorhe 2y ago
Wasn't there something going on in Ukraine in 2014? I remember a certain leaked phone call[0] suggesting heavy US involvement in the country after the change in government happened rather abruptly[1] and by looking closely at what happened during the escalation of violence during the Maidan protests[2], it leaves a different impression than what I can read in most newspapers. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoW75J5bnnE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoW75J5bnnE [1] https://www.voltairenet.org/article182308.html#nh1 https://www.voltairenet.org/article182308.html#nh1 [2] https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/22/the-buried-maidan-massacre-and-its-misrepresentation-by-the-west/ https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/22/the-buried-maidan-mass...
- blue_pants 2y ago
  TLDR from the provided links [0][1]: Nuland and Pyatt are not talking about replacing Yanukovych as president, they are referring to who would become prime minister. How do we know this? Well, for one thing, on Feb. 21st, 2014, the U.S. and E.U. managed to broker a deal between Yanukovych and the opposition (one which Yanukovych himself advanced) in which Yanukovych would continue as president (alongside a new prime minister chosen from the opposition) until new elections were held in December, a full ten months from that point. The deal never came into effect. Why? Because immediately after signing, Yanukovych hightailed out of Kyiv. [0] https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1761873996675682423.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1761873996675682423.html [1] https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1573307576959512576.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1573307576959512576.html (be warned author uses pejorative language, which is a shame)
  - DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
    Yanukovych "hightailed out of Kiev" because armed protesters broke the agreement and stormed the government buildings.