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Framework laptop delay in switching GPUs

8 points by notthetup 2y ago

scblock 2y ago
What an asshole.
- TillE 2y ago
  > Whoever thought this was acceptable deserves to be FIRED IMMEDIATELY I'm glad I've never taken him very seriously, because he seems exhausting. Guy who's apparently never worked on hardware or drivers has thoughts. Ok.
saturn8601 2y ago
He is in a pickle. He could solve his problems by using a Mac. Designed from the ground up in a uniform fashion instead of bolted on components from different vendors. Excellent sleep/wake support, none of this nonsense of switching graphics cards....but he is a game developer and so he is married to this platform called PC/Windows that is composed of competing interests, none of which care about the total user experience. I guess his only solution is to shout into the wind on Twitter and hope something will change (it wont).
- happymellon 2y ago
  My Linux machine only does GPU switching when I ask it to. It's very much another Windows issue.
  - saturn8601 2y ago
    I'm sure it does...he also did hint that he is open to Linux...but i'm also sure there are enough problems with Linux that will keep him coming back to Twitter for years. Like I mentioned, he is in a pickle.
    - happymellon 2y ago
      I didn't see anything in that Tweet about being open to Linux. But regardless, he sounds a bit like Tim Sweeney. Uses shitty tools and would rather complain than just stop using them.
      - DangitBobby 2y ago
        In the thread he says there is zero chance of switching to Mac and non-zero of Linux.
      - saturn8601 2y ago
        Oh sorry my bad, it was in a subsequent tweet response to his original tweet: https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1807868275042255078 https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1807868275042255078 Regarding the tools, you seem to be missing my point, he explained why he is in a pickle: He develops games...Windows is the premier gaming platform whether he likes it or not...hence he needs to develop on Windows.
        happymellon 2y ago
        He doesn't need to develop on a laptop with two GPUs. It's a personal choice to use terrible tools. Currently he is picking two bad choices.
        saturn8601 2y ago
        He is using the top of the line hardware because of the nature of his work. And I'm presuming you can't disable the iGPU. You are really boxing him into a terrible situation and just because you can tolerate Linux nonsense does not automatically make it an ideal solution for others.
        OKRainbowKid 2y ago
        Similarly, just because you can tolerate Apple nonsense does not automatically make it an ideal solution for others.
- greatgib 2y ago
  Mac also has its issues just you are so used to it that you don't realize it anymore. Like for me the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that. When you have wireless mouse but probably any kind of mouse, just a slight move of it will wake the laptop from sleep. When you have the fingerprint sensor equiped power button, the thing constantly mix up going to sleep because you push it but also waking up immediately because it sensed your finger print on top of the button. ...
  - phantompeace 2y ago
    Umm, why not disable automatic updates if you don’t want the machine to wake up to update whilst you’re not using it? TouchID issue is valid though.
  - noahtallen 2y ago
    Wireless mouse issue isn’t Mac-specific. Bluetooth wake-from-sleep is a thing on both Linux and windows depending on the device. Fingerprint issue has been super annoying though. Only happens when waking, where it wakes and then turns it off immediately again. My macs have thankfully never once randomly turned on or done an unexpected update; you normally tell it “update later tonight.”
    - greatgib 2y ago
      Personally I don't have the issue of wake up when moving the mouse with my Linux laptops (mint and Ubuntu based)
  - bzzzt 2y ago
    > the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that. If it's for updates it's not random. Modern M series macs also don't really sleep anymore, they just enter a very low power state.
    - Nab443 2y ago
      To be fair it's still random from the user perspective.
lomase 2y ago
Fired IMMEDIATELY... what a Karen attitude.

8 points by notthetup 2y ago

scblock 2y ago

What an asshole.

TillE 2y ago
> Whoever thought this was acceptable deserves to be FIRED IMMEDIATELY I'm glad I've never taken him very seriously, because he seems exhausting. Guy who's apparently never worked on hardware or drivers has thoughts. Ok.

saturn8601 2y ago

He is in a pickle. He could solve his problems by using a Mac. Designed from the ground up in a uniform fashion instead of bolted on components from different vendors. Excellent sleep/wake support, none of this nonsense of switching graphics cards....but he is a game developer and so he is married to this platform called PC/Windows that is composed of competing interests, none of which care about the total user experience. I guess his only solution is to shout into the wind on Twitter and hope something will change (it wont).

happymellon 2y ago
My Linux machine only does GPU switching when I ask it to. It's very much another Windows issue.
- saturn8601 2y ago
  I'm sure it does...he also did hint that he is open to Linux...but i'm also sure there are enough problems with Linux that will keep him coming back to Twitter for years. Like I mentioned, he is in a pickle.
  - happymellon 2y ago
    I didn't see anything in that Tweet about being open to Linux. But regardless, he sounds a bit like Tim Sweeney. Uses shitty tools and would rather complain than just stop using them.
    - DangitBobby 2y ago
      In the thread he says there is zero chance of switching to Mac and non-zero of Linux.
    - saturn8601 2y ago
      Oh sorry my bad, it was in a subsequent tweet response to his original tweet: https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1807868275042255078 https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1807868275042255078 Regarding the tools, you seem to be missing my point, he explained why he is in a pickle: He develops games...Windows is the premier gaming platform whether he likes it or not...hence he needs to develop on Windows.
      - happymellon 2y ago
        He doesn't need to develop on a laptop with two GPUs. It's a personal choice to use terrible tools. Currently he is picking two bad choices.
        saturn8601 2y ago
        He is using the top of the line hardware because of the nature of his work. And I'm presuming you can't disable the iGPU. You are really boxing him into a terrible situation and just because you can tolerate Linux nonsense does not automatically make it an ideal solution for others.
        OKRainbowKid 2y ago
        Similarly, just because you can tolerate Apple nonsense does not automatically make it an ideal solution for others.
greatgib 2y ago
Mac also has its issues just you are so used to it that you don't realize it anymore. Like for me the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that. When you have wireless mouse but probably any kind of mouse, just a slight move of it will wake the laptop from sleep. When you have the fingerprint sensor equiped power button, the thing constantly mix up going to sleep because you push it but also waking up immediately because it sensed your finger print on top of the button. ...
- phantompeace 2y ago
  Umm, why not disable automatic updates if you don’t want the machine to wake up to update whilst you’re not using it? TouchID issue is valid though.
- noahtallen 2y ago
  Wireless mouse issue isn’t Mac-specific. Bluetooth wake-from-sleep is a thing on both Linux and windows depending on the device. Fingerprint issue has been super annoying though. Only happens when waking, where it wakes and then turns it off immediately again. My macs have thankfully never once randomly turned on or done an unexpected update; you normally tell it “update later tonight.”
  - greatgib 2y ago
    Personally I don't have the issue of wake up when moving the mouse with my Linux laptops (mint and Ubuntu based)
- bzzzt 2y ago
  > the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that. If it's for updates it's not random. Modern M series macs also don't really sleep anymore, they just enter a very low power state.
  - Nab443 2y ago
    To be fair it's still random from the user perspective.

lomase 2y ago

Fired IMMEDIATELY... what a Karen attitude.