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I 100% agree. I'm no Musk stan; in fact, it irks me this dude has so much money & power that he wields for personal benefit (i.e. buys twitter and shuts down @e

I 100% agree. I'm no Musk stan; in fact, it irks me this dude has so much money & power that he wields for personal benefit (i.e. buys twitter and shuts down @elonjet) and yet acts like he's relatable to the middle class. But if there's anything he's proven it's that he can ship product. Tesla cars are phenomenal. xAI looks exactly like what Tesla looked like in 2010. Far too futuristic & optimistic timelines that peers & laypersons would characterize as fluffy grandiose snake-oil. But I bet they will ship. And it won't be fluffy nor snake-oil.

jgalt212 2y ago
> But if there's anything he's proven it's that he can ship product. - robotaxis - Boring tunnels
- richardw 2y ago
  "can" -> he has shipped at least one product. Different to "guaranteed to ship every product to 100% success". Let's try "Musk has proved he can ship more than one entirely unrelated product to the scale that it influences an entire industry", which is different to many people who have shipped a single product. It shows that he's either ridiculously lucky, and/or has significant skill in this area. He's very annoying, but the man can ship.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  Worse: pay-walling and login-walling Twitter are un-delivery.
- rurp 2y ago
  Self driving cars that can travel across the country on their own should be here by 2017 at the latest.
swat535 2y ago
Musk is different because he's just himself and doesn't really care. He posts memes, he has own political opinions (and often makes them known), whether one disagrees or agrees is irrelevant to him, he trolls sometimes, or makes bad mistakes or hasty decisions. I like him because I feel like he's genuine and he's creative and can ship product as you said. I can relate to his craziness on some level..
torginus 2y ago
I honestly don't get why people and the media supported the elonjet thing as some sort of fundamental free speech human rights thing. When the same thing happened to Taylor Swift, people were quick to rally to her defense and call out her observers as bad actors. Even a bill was signed into law in May in response that allows for anonimization of registrations, making such tracking essentially impossible. I'm not a Musk fan but it's a weird hill for people who claim are not Musk haters to die on.
- talldayo 2y ago
  > I honestly don't get why people and the media supported the elonjet thing as some sort of fundamental free speech human rights thing. Flight traffic is public info. You can't censor it because it's being broadcast over FCC-regulated channels that anyone can correlate for themselves. Lo and behold, an aggravated college student ends up being the person to make a bot that automates the process. And now Elon is pissing himself like he doesn't know how to... *checks notes* not use a private jet? Also I don't use Twitter, but Taylor Swift didn't ruin a bunch of people's favorite app, for one. > Even a bill was signed into law in May in response that allows for anonimization of registrations, making such tracking essentially impossible. Some lot of good that does. If you know the airport that Elon departs from and you can correlate his public departures, it would be trivial to re-identify the plane's anonymized callsign. Again, this is all public info and the best you can do is try to hide from people that call out your jet-setting.

jgalt212 2y ago

> But if there's anything he's proven it's that he can ship product. - robotaxis - Boring tunnels

richardw 2y ago
"can" -> he has shipped at least one product. Different to "guaranteed to ship every product to 100% success". Let's try "Musk has proved he can ship more than one entirely unrelated product to the scale that it influences an entire industry", which is different to many people who have shipped a single product. It shows that he's either ridiculously lucky, and/or has significant skill in this area. He's very annoying, but the man can ship.
HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
Worse: pay-walling and login-walling Twitter are un-delivery.
rurp 2y ago
Self driving cars that can travel across the country on their own should be here by 2017 at the latest.

swat535 2y ago

Musk is different because he's just himself and doesn't really care. He posts memes, he has own political opinions (and often makes them known), whether one disagrees or agrees is irrelevant to him, he trolls sometimes, or makes bad mistakes or hasty decisions. I like him because I feel like he's genuine and he's creative and can ship product as you said. I can relate to his craziness on some level..

torginus 2y ago

I honestly don't get why people and the media supported the elonjet thing as some sort of fundamental free speech human rights thing. When the same thing happened to Taylor Swift, people were quick to rally to her defense and call out her observers as bad actors. Even a bill was signed into law in May in response that allows for anonimization of registrations, making such tracking essentially impossible. I'm not a Musk fan but it's a weird hill for people who claim are not Musk haters to die on.

talldayo 2y ago
> I honestly don't get why people and the media supported the elonjet thing as some sort of fundamental free speech human rights thing. Flight traffic is public info. You can't censor it because it's being broadcast over FCC-regulated channels that anyone can correlate for themselves. Lo and behold, an aggravated college student ends up being the person to make a bot that automates the process. And now Elon is pissing himself like he doesn't know how to... *checks notes* not use a private jet? Also I don't use Twitter, but Taylor Swift didn't ruin a bunch of people's favorite app, for one. > Even a bill was signed into law in May in response that allows for anonimization of registrations, making such tracking essentially impossible. Some lot of good that does. If you know the airport that Elon departs from and you can correlate his public departures, it would be trivial to re-identify the plane's anonymized callsign. Again, this is all public info and the best you can do is try to hide from people that call out your jet-setting.