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There are only 26 areas in the world which are 15-30 million. They have about 550 million people, or about 7% of the world's population. 1 million is fairly la

by graeme 2y ago

There are only 26 areas in the world which are 15-30 million. They have about 550 million people, or about 7% of the world's population. 1 million is fairly large, especially in the context of Chile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities

Retric 2y ago
That list really undercounts many metro areas. DC’s “Metropolitan area in 2020 was 6,385,162” it’s CSA was 9,546,579 in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_metropolitan_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_metropolitan_area That list puts it at 5.2 million people.
- TylerE 2y ago
  The 6M is included in the 9. They're not separate counts. That CSA also includes Baltimore so not a vary fair example. Absolutely not the same metro.
  - Retric 2y ago
    I was mostly bringing up the 5.2 vs 6.4 both under Metro area. The CSA isn’t necessarily relevant, but a reasonable agreement exists that it’s really the same metro area. The beltways (495, 695) are less than 25 miles apart. Laurel, Maryland is 20 miles from both downtown DC and downtown Baltimore. Meanwhile the other cities from Richmond to Boston are 95-200 miles from each other. I knew someone whose tech support job would regularly send them to both cities in the same day. Apparently many companies located between them so they could easily serve both.
    - bradknowles 2y ago
      You can’t just look at distance and judge. I knew guys who lived north of Baltimore but commuted every day to the Pentagon. That doesn’t make Baltimore and DC two parts of the same city. Just like there are people who commute from New York to London, or vice-versa. NyLon is a thing, but that still doesn’t make them two parts of the same city.
      - Retric 2y ago
        Same city is irrelevant, same metro area based on how people behave is what matters. People commuting from downtown Baltimore to DC have a faster commute than many living in well recognized DC suburbs. That’s very different than NyLon.
        bradknowles 2y ago
        Distance is irrelevant. I lived there. The cultures of DC and Baltimore are fundamentally different. Related, yes. But not the same.
        Retric 2y ago
        The culture of poor parts of DC is vastly different than the culture of places 2 streets away. Culture is ultra local.
        bradknowles 2y ago
        Culture is fractal, and happens on many different levels. And there are many types of stratifications of culture. And those stratifications can happen in multiple dimensions at the same time. But culture can also refer to a larger conglomeration of smaller cultures, or components of smaller cultures. Just like a meal or dinner from one place can have many different components, and be differently prepared from a meal or dinner of the same overall type from some other place. There are components that may be shared between them, and there might be components that are different. But even if you start out with the exact same components in both places, the end result may be radically different, simply due to the different methods and the different people involved. In the case of DC versus Baltimore, it’s the larger scale differences that I’m talking about.
        Retric 2y ago
        > In the case of DC versus Baltimore, it’s the larger scale differences that I’m talking about. Those differences aren’t larger in scale than Loudan or Fauquier county vs DC. Simply being different doesn’t on its own mean anything here.
  - acjohnson55 2y ago
    Having lived in Baltimore, it's juuust far enough from DC to not be a twin city.
    - pooper 2y ago
      Just out of curiosity, how far is far enough? As a thought experiment, would a shinkansen running every six minutes change this?
      - jfengel 2y ago
        Instead of a shinkasen running every six minutes, we get a low-speed train that runs about once an hour, and only during working hours. If you work past 8 PM you're going to have to find another way home. I don't really know what's far enough, but culturally they consider themselves entirely distinct. People from one almost never work in the other; the trains that do exist are for bringing people from the suburbs. Even those suburbs are fairly distinct. There's a dividing line at Columbia, MD where people go both directions, and nearly everybody else affiliates themselves with one city or the other. Another way to look at it: they have separate sports teams. They're not even rivals, because they play in different leagues. Within the city fans are pretty exclusive, and the other city's teams aren't of interest. Maybe that would change if it were possible to live in one and work in the other, or if they commonly shared night-life or restaurants or leisure. Instead, the other city is a full-day trip, not a jaunt across town.
        massysett 2y ago
        None of what’s in this comment or others reflects my experience at all. I work in DC and have had many colleagues who live in downtown Baltimore and Baltimore suburbs, even suburbs north of Baltimore. They have been Orioles fans. Some have driven, others take commuter rail. I live in a suburb that is closer to DC but the commuter pattern on the highway reflects traffic flow to the Baltimore area in the morning and away from it in the evening. My wife and I work in downtown DC and we live closer to DC than Baltimore, but we routinely attend cultural and recreational events in Baltimore and of course fly from the Baltimore airport. We had memberships in the National Aquarium (in Baltimore) and have taken our kids to the Maryland Zoo. They have never been to the National Zoo in DC. Baltimore and DC are absolutely one metro, just like Dallas/Fort Worth and Minneapolis/Saint Paul. That two cities have distinct identities doesn’t mean they aren’t one metro.
  - bradknowles 2y ago
    They expanded the CSA to include Baltimore so as to reduce the average salary rate, and thus they didn’t have to pay for COLA wage increases. From late 1989 to mid 1998, I lived in various parts of Northern Virginia and the Capitol region of Maryland, and made many trips to Baltimore. Totally not the same metro.
nox101 2y ago
Looking at that list there are probably 100s of "metro areas" with > 1m Look at the UN 2019 population estimates and sort by it. The last 10 areas are 5.49m, 5.49m, 5.38m, 5.38, 5.30m, 5.21m, 5.16m, 5.09m, 5.05m, 5.02m Given how curves like this usually go there's an extremely long tail to get to 1m Concepcion has only ~200k people with <1m metro. Looking at a map of the city and with only 200k people it doesn't seem big
- graeme 2y ago
  A fair point. This list has 468 above 1 million and I think that's the urban boundaries and not metro I hadn't actually googled concepcion, 200,000 in the urban area is quite small. It would be interesting to somehow workout the percentile of population living in a larger/smaller place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_with_over_one_million_inhabitants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_with_over_one_m...

by graeme 2y ago

Retric 2y ago

That list really undercounts many metro areas. DC’s “Metropolitan area in 2020 was 6,385,162” it’s CSA was 9,546,579 in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_metropolitan_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_metropolitan_area That list puts it at 5.2 million people.

TylerE 2y ago
The 6M is included in the 9. They're not separate counts. That CSA also includes Baltimore so not a vary fair example. Absolutely not the same metro.
- Retric 2y ago
  I was mostly bringing up the 5.2 vs 6.4 both under Metro area. The CSA isn’t necessarily relevant, but a reasonable agreement exists that it’s really the same metro area. The beltways (495, 695) are less than 25 miles apart. Laurel, Maryland is 20 miles from both downtown DC and downtown Baltimore. Meanwhile the other cities from Richmond to Boston are 95-200 miles from each other. I knew someone whose tech support job would regularly send them to both cities in the same day. Apparently many companies located between them so they could easily serve both.
  - bradknowles 2y ago
    You can’t just look at distance and judge. I knew guys who lived north of Baltimore but commuted every day to the Pentagon. That doesn’t make Baltimore and DC two parts of the same city. Just like there are people who commute from New York to London, or vice-versa. NyLon is a thing, but that still doesn’t make them two parts of the same city.
    - Retric 2y ago
      Same city is irrelevant, same metro area based on how people behave is what matters. People commuting from downtown Baltimore to DC have a faster commute than many living in well recognized DC suburbs. That’s very different than NyLon.
      - bradknowles 2y ago
        Distance is irrelevant. I lived there. The cultures of DC and Baltimore are fundamentally different. Related, yes. But not the same.
        Retric 2y ago
        The culture of poor parts of DC is vastly different than the culture of places 2 streets away. Culture is ultra local.
        bradknowles 2y ago
        Culture is fractal, and happens on many different levels. And there are many types of stratifications of culture. And those stratifications can happen in multiple dimensions at the same time. But culture can also refer to a larger conglomeration of smaller cultures, or components of smaller cultures. Just like a meal or dinner from one place can have many different components, and be differently prepared from a meal or dinner of the same overall type from some other place. There are components that may be shared between them, and there might be components that are different. But even if you start out with the exact same components in both places, the end result may be radically different, simply due to the different methods and the different people involved. In the case of DC versus Baltimore, it’s the larger scale differences that I’m talking about.
        Retric 2y ago
        > In the case of DC versus Baltimore, it’s the larger scale differences that I’m talking about. Those differences aren’t larger in scale than Loudan or Fauquier county vs DC. Simply being different doesn’t on its own mean anything here.
- acjohnson55 2y ago
  Having lived in Baltimore, it's juuust far enough from DC to not be a twin city.
  - pooper 2y ago
    Just out of curiosity, how far is far enough? As a thought experiment, would a shinkansen running every six minutes change this?
    - jfengel 2y ago
      Instead of a shinkasen running every six minutes, we get a low-speed train that runs about once an hour, and only during working hours. If you work past 8 PM you're going to have to find another way home. I don't really know what's far enough, but culturally they consider themselves entirely distinct. People from one almost never work in the other; the trains that do exist are for bringing people from the suburbs. Even those suburbs are fairly distinct. There's a dividing line at Columbia, MD where people go both directions, and nearly everybody else affiliates themselves with one city or the other. Another way to look at it: they have separate sports teams. They're not even rivals, because they play in different leagues. Within the city fans are pretty exclusive, and the other city's teams aren't of interest. Maybe that would change if it were possible to live in one and work in the other, or if they commonly shared night-life or restaurants or leisure. Instead, the other city is a full-day trip, not a jaunt across town.
      - massysett 2y ago
        None of what’s in this comment or others reflects my experience at all. I work in DC and have had many colleagues who live in downtown Baltimore and Baltimore suburbs, even suburbs north of Baltimore. They have been Orioles fans. Some have driven, others take commuter rail. I live in a suburb that is closer to DC but the commuter pattern on the highway reflects traffic flow to the Baltimore area in the morning and away from it in the evening. My wife and I work in downtown DC and we live closer to DC than Baltimore, but we routinely attend cultural and recreational events in Baltimore and of course fly from the Baltimore airport. We had memberships in the National Aquarium (in Baltimore) and have taken our kids to the Maryland Zoo. They have never been to the National Zoo in DC. Baltimore and DC are absolutely one metro, just like Dallas/Fort Worth and Minneapolis/Saint Paul. That two cities have distinct identities doesn’t mean they aren’t one metro.
- bradknowles 2y ago
  They expanded the CSA to include Baltimore so as to reduce the average salary rate, and thus they didn’t have to pay for COLA wage increases. From late 1989 to mid 1998, I lived in various parts of Northern Virginia and the Capitol region of Maryland, and made many trips to Baltimore. Totally not the same metro.

nox101 2y ago

Looking at that list there are probably 100s of "metro areas" with > 1m Look at the UN 2019 population estimates and sort by it. The last 10 areas are 5.49m, 5.49m, 5.38m, 5.38, 5.30m, 5.21m, 5.16m, 5.09m, 5.05m, 5.02m Given how curves like this usually go there's an extremely long tail to get to 1m Concepcion has only ~200k people with <1m metro. Looking at a map of the city and with only 200k people it doesn't seem big

graeme 2y ago
A fair point. This list has 468 above 1 million and I think that's the urban boundaries and not metro I hadn't actually googled concepcion, 200,000 in the urban area is quite small. It would be interesting to somehow workout the percentile of population living in a larger/smaller place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_with_over_one_million_inhabitants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_with_over_one_m...