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Battle lines: OpenAI: Microsoft + Apple Anthropic: Amazon Google vs all Facebook the anarchist Nvidia arms dealer

by mushufasa 2y ago

candiddevmike 2y ago
Anthropic is being courted by Amazon and Google AFAIK
- mushufasa 2y ago
  while you can now access anthropic through google cloud, the billing is still separate, and i'm not aware of any substantial cap table action from google corporate. I wouldn't be surprised if they've offered acquisition but short of that, Google's going to focus on it's homegrown LLMs, which compete against anthropic.
Apocryphon 2y ago
Musk with xAI but mostly just trolling OpenAI
- helsinki 2y ago
  I don't know - I recently interviewed with xAI and it sounds like they have some really interesting things in the works that extend into the physical world. I wouldn't write them off, personally.
  - phillipcarter 2y ago
    Guess I'll believe it when I see it. I have seen at least one person on twitter who works for them engage with the community, but by and large xAI appears to just be there so that Musk doesn't feel so bad about OpenAI ignoring him.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    Unfortunately Musk is an excellent salesman, which makes it hard to tell if any given thing that he makes sound good, is actually good. His successes earn more than his failures cost, but even he knows he's over-optimistic.
    - voidfunc 2y ago
      If you're in the business of making money (you should be if you arent) it doesn't matter if his shit is good or not, only that it sells. Way too many idealists out there. Make money and get out of the rat race.
      - rurp 2y ago
        That might be an argument for acting like Musk, but it sure as heck isn't a reason to invest in or buy from his companies.
        voidfunc 2y ago
        > but it sure as heck isn't a reason to invest in Are we just ignoring the bushels of money that Tesla has made investors?
        ben_w 2y ago
        We see that share price, we also see lenders writing off what they loaned him for Twitter.
        voidfunc 2y ago
        He did make the public Twitter investors massively wealthy tho :)
  - cafed00d 2y ago
    I 100% agree. I'm no Musk stan; in fact, it irks me this dude has so much money & power that he wields for personal benefit (i.e. buys twitter and shuts down @elonjet) and yet acts like he's relatable to the middle class. But if there's anything he's proven it's that he can ship product. Tesla cars are phenomenal. xAI looks exactly like what Tesla looked like in 2010. Far too futuristic & optimistic timelines that peers & laypersons would characterize as fluffy grandiose snake-oil. But I bet they will ship. And it won't be fluffy nor snake-oil.
    - jgalt212 2y ago
      > But if there's anything he's proven it's that he can ship product. - robotaxis - Boring tunnels
      - richardw 2y ago
        "can" -> he has shipped at least one product. Different to "guaranteed to ship every product to 100% success". Let's try "Musk has proved he can ship more than one entirely unrelated product to the scale that it influences an entire industry", which is different to many people who have shipped a single product. It shows that he's either ridiculously lucky, and/or has significant skill in this area. He's very annoying, but the man can ship.
      - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
        Worse: pay-walling and login-walling Twitter are un-delivery.
      - rurp 2y ago
        Self driving cars that can travel across the country on their own should be here by 2017 at the latest.
    - swat535 2y ago
      Musk is different because he's just himself and doesn't really care. He posts memes, he has own political opinions (and often makes them known), whether one disagrees or agrees is irrelevant to him, he trolls sometimes, or makes bad mistakes or hasty decisions. I like him because I feel like he's genuine and he's creative and can ship product as you said. I can relate to his craziness on some level..
  - gopher_space 2y ago
    Is xai his edgy teen simulator or is this something newer?
    - kortilla 2y ago
      You’re thinking of grok
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maxFlow 2y ago
Anthropic Investors: Amazon.com – $4B Google – $2B Menlo Ventures – $750M Wisdom Ventures Ripple Impact Investments Factorial Funds Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic#Investors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic#Investors
vineyardmike 2y ago
Google and Apple have hinted at Gemini being an alternative to ChatGPT in Siri integration. Amazon has their own (terrible) models, and they (along with Microsoft) sell a ton of options on their platforms. Anthropic has a ton of investors including Google. There are no clear lines here. It’ll be interesting to see how long all these companies will keep funding massive models vs rely on their partners.
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  > There are no clear lines here. There don't need to be. Tech giants are competing much less than people want to believe - and especially here, I think we're in the "hold my beer" one-upping phase. Everyone involved is better off running a friendly race and helping each other out, as this rapidly improves AI tech for everyone. Eventually, when improvements start to dry out, battle lines will be drawn and the players will start using the world as fuel and ammunition for their fight. But we're not there yet.
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Battle lines: OpenAI: Microsoft + Apple Anthropic: Amazon Google vs all Facebook the anarchist Nvidia arms dealer

candiddevmike 2y ago

Anthropic is being courted by Amazon and Google AFAIK

mushufasa 2y ago
while you can now access anthropic through google cloud, the billing is still separate, and i'm not aware of any substantial cap table action from google corporate. I wouldn't be surprised if they've offered acquisition but short of that, Google's going to focus on it's homegrown LLMs, which compete against anthropic.

Apocryphon 2y ago

Musk with xAI but mostly just trolling OpenAI

helsinki 2y ago
I don't know - I recently interviewed with xAI and it sounds like they have some really interesting things in the works that extend into the physical world. I wouldn't write them off, personally.
- phillipcarter 2y ago
  Guess I'll believe it when I see it. I have seen at least one person on twitter who works for them engage with the community, but by and large xAI appears to just be there so that Musk doesn't feel so bad about OpenAI ignoring him.
- ben_w 2y ago
  Unfortunately Musk is an excellent salesman, which makes it hard to tell if any given thing that he makes sound good, is actually good. His successes earn more than his failures cost, but even he knows he's over-optimistic.
  - voidfunc 2y ago
    If you're in the business of making money (you should be if you arent) it doesn't matter if his shit is good or not, only that it sells. Way too many idealists out there. Make money and get out of the rat race.
    - rurp 2y ago
      That might be an argument for acting like Musk, but it sure as heck isn't a reason to invest in or buy from his companies.
      - voidfunc 2y ago
        > but it sure as heck isn't a reason to invest in Are we just ignoring the bushels of money that Tesla has made investors?
        ben_w 2y ago
        We see that share price, we also see lenders writing off what they loaned him for Twitter.
        voidfunc 2y ago
        He did make the public Twitter investors massively wealthy tho :)
- cafed00d 2y ago
  I 100% agree. I'm no Musk stan; in fact, it irks me this dude has so much money & power that he wields for personal benefit (i.e. buys twitter and shuts down @elonjet) and yet acts like he's relatable to the middle class. But if there's anything he's proven it's that he can ship product. Tesla cars are phenomenal. xAI looks exactly like what Tesla looked like in 2010. Far too futuristic & optimistic timelines that peers & laypersons would characterize as fluffy grandiose snake-oil. But I bet they will ship. And it won't be fluffy nor snake-oil.
  - jgalt212 2y ago
    > But if there's anything he's proven it's that he can ship product. - robotaxis - Boring tunnels
    - richardw 2y ago
      "can" -> he has shipped at least one product. Different to "guaranteed to ship every product to 100% success". Let's try "Musk has proved he can ship more than one entirely unrelated product to the scale that it influences an entire industry", which is different to many people who have shipped a single product. It shows that he's either ridiculously lucky, and/or has significant skill in this area. He's very annoying, but the man can ship.
    - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
      Worse: pay-walling and login-walling Twitter are un-delivery.
    - rurp 2y ago
      Self driving cars that can travel across the country on their own should be here by 2017 at the latest.
  - swat535 2y ago
    Musk is different because he's just himself and doesn't really care. He posts memes, he has own political opinions (and often makes them known), whether one disagrees or agrees is irrelevant to him, he trolls sometimes, or makes bad mistakes or hasty decisions. I like him because I feel like he's genuine and he's creative and can ship product as you said. I can relate to his craziness on some level..
- gopher_space 2y ago
  Is xai his edgy teen simulator or is this something newer?
  - kortilla 2y ago
    You’re thinking of grok

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maxFlow 2y ago

Anthropic Investors: Amazon.com – $4B Google – $2B Menlo Ventures – $750M Wisdom Ventures Ripple Impact Investments Factorial Funds Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic#Investors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic#Investors

vineyardmike 2y ago

Google and Apple have hinted at Gemini being an alternative to ChatGPT in Siri integration. Amazon has their own (terrible) models, and they (along with Microsoft) sell a ton of options on their platforms. Anthropic has a ton of investors including Google. There are no clear lines here. It’ll be interesting to see how long all these companies will keep funding massive models vs rely on their partners.

TeMPOraL 2y ago
> There are no clear lines here. There don't need to be. Tech giants are competing much less than people want to believe - and especially here, I think we're in the "hold my beer" one-upping phase. Everyone involved is better off running a friendly race and helping each other out, as this rapidly improves AI tech for everyone. Eventually, when improvements start to dry out, battle lines will be drawn and the players will start using the world as fuel and ammunition for their fight. But we're not there yet.

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